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Post by vitalinfo on Aug 1, 2020 12:47:33 GMT
“Thought and mind are not of the Kenoma (or Orion)--it's of the Divine. It originates with the Monad”
The above quote caused some confusion in me when I first read it. It is a profound statement. It deserves some more consideration at least to me.
First I would like to summarize how a human being fits together, at least how I understand it at this moment in time:
1. The human body.
2. The energy bodies and the chakra system possibly 7 in number maybe more.
3. The reactive, artificial mind or artificial spirit as per the GT.
4. The soul
5. The analytical mind that is the mind we have in common with the Monad and could be seen as a spiritual mind.
6. Spirit
Number 1 is a dense holographic manifestation of the soul. Number 2 is a part of number 3. The soul number 4 is manifesting 1, 2 and 3. The soul cannot manifest itself together with 1, 2 and 3 without a life giving spark of spirit Sophia. The analytical mind is our true identity. That is the real you or me. To me a unit of consciousness or a unit of awareness is nothing but a point from which we view. Therefore It has a location. We can take on any viewpoint we like. A viewpoint is also a way of looking at something. With a way of looking I mean that we look through thought manifestations to other thought manifestations. This is how we color our viewpoints. This is what we usually call thinking. We think we know what we see but we see it on a via. We see it through other thoughts.
The analytical mind is androgynous. It has the ability to think thoughts and project these thoughts outside of itself (a masculine projection). In order to become aware of the thought it can receive that thought so it will manifest and remain in existence. This is the feminine manifestation that allows for existence.
Please shoot holes in this assumption as much as you want. I like to learn from other viewpoints.
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Post by sahib on Aug 1, 2020 14:42:59 GMT
Sicily I like to respond to some thoughts in your post. Sicily wrote:“Or maybe humans have mind overlays from here that are different from the Christ mind, we have both but most of us are using Y's mind as the default position.”
When people make right or wrong choices, it has nothing to do with Yald in my opinion. Every soul has ‘free will’ to make the choice he wants. In my opinion, the only influence Yald can have on people is at the soul level or at the body level, but not in the way we think or will react to the influence of the archons on our lives. That will always be our own 'conscious' choice. If people choose to go along with the 'corona' madness, for example, then it's a free choice, no one is 'forced' to make such a choice. We have to respect each other's choices, just as we would like people to respect our choices. Only humans have such an independent consciousness, animals, for example, only have an instinct and live according to that instinct. They don't think about what they do, it is only given to humans to be able to think about what they do and how they think. When someone makes a choice that I like less or that I would never make, that doesn't mean that Yald had something to do with it, that person has made that choice consciously out of 'free will'. Some say, there are many sicknesses and that is the work of the devil, of the archons, of Yald. Often I ask what they have been eating the last 10, 20 or more years, and then realize that it’s our own ‘free will’ eating unhealthy food. We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves. I also don't think we have certain ''mind overlays'' that Christ wouldn't have. As what I have written above shows, there is no ''overlay'' of Yald at all when it comes to the mind. I don't think there's a Yald spirit, I suspect he doesn't even have one. He's just like the animals, acting on instinct, totally ignorant of the consequences of his actions. He’s the manifestation of Ignorance in the Kenoma. As you can read about Christ, he is been seduced, laughed at, slandered on many fronts in his life, just as we experience in our lives, but His mind and ours determine what we will do with these seductions, slander, and 'strange thoughts'. We’ll make a decision to do something or not to do anything with it, to create emotions with it or not. That is our 'free mind'. This free mind is also the one who makes the choice to connect with Spirit and experience Gnosis. That is exactly what Yald and his archons fear so much, our free choice that they cannot control. Sicily wrote:“The word mind is like Christ, it has too many negative connotations for me and I just hit a wall thinking about it because I think of man's mind as primarily an instrument to navigate this 3d world and is easily programmed, very easily programmed,…”
I can understand your thoughts and feelings, and emotions about mind or Christ, but don’t forget your viewpoint is coming from YOUR mind, and as you can see, it is very powerful. These thoughts and feelings you have is your responsibility, you created them and it isn’t Yald’s or any other’s responsibility. And yes, one of the functions of this mind of ours is to give directions in our 3D life, learned from different insights we have gained over time. But its most important function is to bring us Home to Source, and Christ showed us how. Sicily wrote:“So maybe the translation is suspect. Plus GT can't be completely 100% right so is this misinformation?”
I agree with you that the GT, as many other ancient texts, aren’t 100% right or true, and are sometimes mis-translated. But to label everything we don't understand 'yet' as disinformation is going a little too fast for me. Difficult and complicated concepts from these ancient texts will first have to be analyzed thoroughly to see if the content of the texts is in agreement with several ancient texts elsewhere. Then it will usually turn out that the corruption is usually very easy to interpret. You could then ignore these 'corrupt' texts for the time being and after you’ve processed the other texts, you’ll often see they form a complete concept. These corruptions serve a certain purpose, after some time you will realize that thanks to this 'corruption' you have acquired great wisdom. - - - Sicily, these thoughts aren't addressed to you personally, but you've given me some thoughts to think about, and I just wanted to express my view on them. I want to thank you for these thoughts, they have caused a deep reflection in me. This is just my opinion on some of the thoughts you expressed. By reading your contemplations you got me going again. I think we need to differentiate between two types of mind. There is the so called analytical mind and the reactive mind the latter one being a part of Yaldabaoths construction. It is also called the artificial mind or, according to the GT, the artificial spirit. Without the reactive mind we wouldn't be able to live in this world. The analytical mind is the mind that we have in common with the Father or Source. It has free will. It is us. Does this makes sense or am I off on the wrong track here? I don't think we should make it more complicated than it actually is. Nowhere in the GT or any of the other texts I know of makes it clear that the mind can be abused by Yald and his people. I believe that only our soul and body are Kenoma constructions of Yald. Our mind is typically not archon receptive, that is also their greatest fear, they completely control our soul and body. But they can't control our mind, that's why they try everything to occupy us with physical ailments and illnesses. So that we will not get too involved in 'spiritual' matters. Fear of death is also a soul/body fear, only our mind is able to connect with the Divine and obtain eternal existence, and they are aware of that. As soon as our mind has connected with Spirit, they have lost us. That's their greatest fear, because then they can't 'hitch a ride' to Orion. (which they think is possible). |
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Post by lindi732 on Aug 1, 2020 15:04:37 GMT
By reading your contemplations you got me going again. I think we need to differentiate between two types of mind. There is the so called analytical mind and the reactive mind the latter one being a part of Yaldabaoths construction. It is also called the artificial mind or, according to the GT, the artificial spirit. Without the reactive mind we wouldn't be able to live in this world. The analytical mind is the mind that we have in common with the Father or Source. It has free will. It is us. Does this makes sense or am I off on the wrong track here? I don't think we should make it more complicated than it actually is. Nowhere in the GT or any of the other texts I know of makes it clear that the mind can be abused by Yald and his people. I believe that only our soul and body are Kenoma constructions of Yald. Our mind is typically not archon receptive, that is also their greatest fear, they completely control our soul and body. But they can't control our mind, that's why they try everything to occupy us with physical ailments and illnesses. So that we will not get too involved in 'spiritual' matters. Fear of death is also a soul/body fear, only our mind is able to connect with the Divine and obtain eternal existence, and they are aware of that. As soon as our mind has connected with Spirit, they have lost us. That's their greatest fear, because then they can't 'hitch a ride' to Orion. (which they think is possible). I question the premise that they cannot control our minds. Seems they are already in control of “minds” when you see how easily the unawakened “normies” are accepting the “mind control” narrative regarding COVID— wearing masks, social distancing, and even trashing/making fun of doctors trying to let them know what’s really happening. Also, if mind cannot be controlled, then why should we be so worried/concerned about brain implants. Seems that is how THEY are wanting to control our thoughts, what we believe, our attitudes, and behaviors. Thought originates in the mind. Seems they’ve been doing this for thousands of years. |
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Post by sahib on Aug 1, 2020 15:30:03 GMT
“Thought and mind are not of the Kenoma (or Orion)--it's of the Divine. It originates with the Monad” The above quote caused some confusion in me when I first read it. It is a profound statement. It deserves some more consideration at least to me. First I would like to summarize how a human being fits together, at least how I understand it at this moment in time: 1. The human body. 2. The energy bodies and the chakra system possibly 7 in number maybe more. 3. The reactive, artificial mind or artificial spirit as per the GT. 4. The soul 5. The analytical mind that is the mind we have in common with the Monad and could be seen as a spiritual mind. 6. Spirit Number 1 is a dense holographic manifestation of the soul. Number 2 is a part of number 3. The soul number 4 is manifesting 1, 2 and 3. The soul cannot manifest itself together with 1, 2 and 3 without a life giving spark of spirit Sophia. The analytical mind is our true identity. That is the real you or me. To me a unit of consciousness or a unit of awareness is nothing but a point from which we view. Therefore It has a location. We can take on any viewpoint we like. A viewpoint is also a way of looking at something. With a way of looking I mean that we look through thought manifestations to other thought manifestations. This is how we color our viewpoints. This is what we usually call thinking. We think we know what we see but we see it on a via. We see it through other thoughts. The analytical mind is androgynous. It has the ability to think thoughts and project these thoughts outside of itself (a masculine projection). In order to become aware of the thought it can receive that thought so it will manifest and remain in existence. This is the feminine manifestation that allows for existence. Please shoot holes in this assumption as much as you want. I like to learn from other viewpoints. Ok, I will shoot at your assumption ....  (and actually I'm a lousy shooter) First of all, I'm aware we need assumptions to come to truths we can rely on. And I like to keep things as simple as possible. Personally, I don't like to build an assumption just on words I find in texts, ancient or modern, I don't care. What I try to use in building my understanding are concepts, applicable to other texts. That proves to me the possible explanation for certain concepts. When an idea or word is analyzed to the bone, there will remain only intellectual knowledge and interpretations of words, which doesn't add value to the whole. This way we can assemble all kinds of truths, just like with Lego building blocks, but then, in my opinion, only something is created that looks like it, of which you immediately see that it isn't the 'real' one. That's why I prefer to interpret whole concepts and not just some words and mix them together to form a picture, to me that feels like 'mind candy', while trying to understand whole concepts sometimes means that after a while, you have to revise only some details to come to a good conclusion. However, if I'm going to put together a concept with separate words, then at a certain point I will lose what it was all about. When I finally come to a conclusion, I always try to substantiate it with reference to texts and/or passages/chapters from gnostic or biblical literature. Other world-religious Holy Books can also be consulted on that basis. Even popular books or information can be examined to support the conclusion found. This is just my experience explaining texts. Did I miss again?  |
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Post by sahib on Aug 1, 2020 16:04:56 GMT
I don't think we should make it more complicated than it actually is. Nowhere in the GT or any of the other texts I know of makes it clear that the mind can be abused by Yald and his people. I believe that only our soul and body are Kenoma constructions of Yald. Our mind is typically not archon receptive, that is also their greatest fear, they completely control our soul and body. But they can't control our mind, that's why they try everything to occupy us with physical ailments and illnesses. So that we will not get too involved in 'spiritual' matters. Fear of death is also a soul/body fear, only our mind is able to connect with the Divine and obtain eternal existence, and they are aware of that. As soon as our mind has connected with Spirit, they have lost us. That's their greatest fear, because then they can't 'hitch a ride' to Orion. (which they think is possible). I question the premise that they cannot control our minds. Seems they are already in control of “minds” when you see how easily the unawakened “normies” are accepting the “mind control” narrative regarding COVID— wearing masks, social distancing, and even trashing/making fun of doctors trying to let them know what’s really happening. Also, if mind cannot be controlled, then why should we be so worried/concerned about brain implants. Seems that is how THEY are wanting to control our thoughts, what we believe, our attitudes, and behaviors. Thought originates in the mind. Seems they’ve been doing this for thousands of years. I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume. Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances. In case of brain implants, that's not YOUR mind, it's the AI that's taken over the way humans think and my idea is, that once the soul/body dies, the AI will die also or will be taken out again and the real "mind" will remain after death. When an implant in the brain is set, it takes over the thought structures and the soul/body becomes a "hybrid" or a "borg". And when this hybrid dies, or is allowed to die, the AI has no further use of that dead body. The "mind" that initially belongs to that soul/body will remain and according their status might enter Orion also. This is my take on this "mind" issue. |
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Post by vitalinfo on Aug 1, 2020 16:21:22 GMT
“Thought and mind are not of the Kenoma (or Orion)--it's of the Divine. It originates with the Monad” The above quote caused some confusion in me when I first read it. It is a profound statement. It deserves some more consideration at least to me. First I would like to summarize how a human being fits together, at least how I understand it at this moment in time: 1. The human body. 2. The energy bodies and the chakra system possibly 7 in number maybe more. 3. The reactive, artificial mind or artificial spirit as per the GT. 4. The soul 5. The analytical mind that is the mind we have in common with the Monad and could be seen as a spiritual mind. 6. Spirit Number 1 is a dense holographic manifestation of the soul. Number 2 is a part of number 3. The soul number 4 is manifesting 1, 2 and 3. The soul cannot manifest itself together with 1, 2 and 3 without a life giving spark of spirit Sophia. The analytical mind is our true identity. That is the real you or me. To me a unit of consciousness or a unit of awareness is nothing but a point from which we view. Therefore It has a location. We can take on any viewpoint we like. A viewpoint is also a way of looking at something. With a way of looking I mean that we look through thought manifestations to other thought manifestations. This is how we color our viewpoints. This is what we usually call thinking. We think we know what we see but we see it on a via. We see it through other thoughts. The analytical mind is androgynous. It has the ability to think thoughts and project these thoughts outside of itself (a masculine projection). In order to become aware of the thought it can receive that thought so it will manifest and remain in existence. This is the feminine manifestation that allows for existence. Please shoot holes in this assumption as much as you want. I like to learn from other viewpoints. Ok, I will shoot at your assumption .... (and actually I'm a lousy shooter) First of all, I'm aware we need assumptions to come to truths we can rely on. And I like to keep things as simple as possible. Personally, I don't like to build an assumption just on words I find in texts, ancient or modern, I don't care. What I try to use in building my understanding are concepts, applicable to other texts. That proves to me the possible explanation for certain concepts. When an idea or word is analyzed to the bone, there will remain only intellectual knowledge and interpretations of words, which doesn't add value to the whole. This way we can assemble all kinds of truths, just like with Lego building blocks, but then, in my opinion, only something is created that looks like it, of which you immediately see that it isn't the 'real' one. That's why I prefer to interpret whole concepts and not just some words and mix them together to form a picture, to me that feels like 'mind candy', while trying to understand whole concepts sometimes means that after a while, you have to revise only some details to come to a good conclusion. However, if I'm going to put together a concept with separate words, then at a certain point I will lose what it was all about. When I finally come to a conclusion, I always try to substantiate it with reference to texts and/or passages/chapters from gnostic or biblical literature. Other world-religious Holy Books can also be consulted on that basis. Even popular books or information can be examined to support the conclusion found. This is just my experience explaining texts. Did I miss again? Yes, Sahib you mist terribly. Lol. But I forgive you. I know by the many posts you presented on this forum how you come to your conclussions. In fact you stated this yourself many times. You have the advantage of being able to interpret ancient scribtures that you seem to have vast knowledge on. I don't. I have to use my thinking ability to come to my conclusions. Words and their different meanings are very important to me to come to my conclusions. I like to think things through in my peculiar way. I use whatever I can retrieve from what I once read and that isn't much. You are of great value to this forum because of the knowledge you gained and are willing to share with us. But I guess you know that by now aswell. |
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Post by sahib on Aug 1, 2020 16:46:50 GMT
Ok, I will shoot at your assumption .... (and actually I'm a lousy shooter) First of all, I'm aware we need assumptions to come to truths we can rely on. And I like to keep things as simple as possible. Personally, I don't like to build an assumption just on words I find in texts, ancient or modern, I don't care. What I try to use in building my understanding are concepts, applicable to other texts. That proves to me the possible explanation for certain concepts. When an idea or word is analyzed to the bone, there will remain only intellectual knowledge and interpretations of words, which doesn't add value to the whole. This way we can assemble all kinds of truths, just like with Lego building blocks, but then, in my opinion, only something is created that looks like it, of which you immediately see that it isn't the 'real' one. That's why I prefer to interpret whole concepts and not just some words and mix them together to form a picture, to me that feels like 'mind candy', while trying to understand whole concepts sometimes means that after a while, you have to revise only some details to come to a good conclusion. However, if I'm going to put together a concept with separate words, then at a certain point I will lose what it was all about. When I finally come to a conclusion, I always try to substantiate it with reference to texts and/or passages/chapters from gnostic or biblical literature. Other world-religious Holy Books can also be consulted on that basis. Even popular books or information can be examined to support the conclusion found. This is just my experience explaining texts. Did I miss again? Yes, Sahib you mist terribly. Lol. But I forgive you. I know by the many posts you presented on this forum how you come to your conclussions. In fact you stated this yourself many times. You have the advantage of being able to interpret ancient scribtures that you seem to have vast knowledge on. I don't. I have to use my thinking ability to come to my conclusions. Words and their different meanings are very important to me to come to my conclusions. I like to think things through in my peculiar way. I use whatever I can retrieve from what I once read and that isn't much. You are of great value to this forum because of the knowledge you gained and are willing to share with us. But I guess you know that by now aswell. I'm still learning from all the questions and reactions, and I love the discussions. It broadens my insights and corrects my incorrect thinking. We're all in the same boat, I'd love to make it to the finish line together. |
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Post by sicily on Aug 1, 2020 17:18:00 GMT
Sahib wrote:
I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.
Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here.
Sahib wrote:
We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him.
Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's.
I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me.
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Post by vitalinfo on Aug 1, 2020 18:13:56 GMT
By reading your contemplations you got me going again. I think we need to differentiate between two types of mind. There is the so called analytical mind and the reactive mind the latter one being a part of Yaldabaoths construction. It is also called the artificial mind or, according to the GT, the artificial spirit. Without the reactive mind we wouldn't be able to live in this world. The analytical mind is the mind that we have in common with the Father or Source. It has free will. It is us. Does this makes sense or am I off on the wrong track here? I don't think we should make it more complicated than it actually is. Nowhere in the GT or any of the other texts I know of makes it clear that the mind can be abused by Yald and his people. I believe that only our soul and body are Kenoma constructions of Yald. Our mind is typically not archon receptive, that is also their greatest fear, they completely control our soul and body. But they can't control our mind, that's why they try everything to occupy us with physical ailments and illnesses. So that we will not get too involved in 'spiritual' matters. Fear of death is also a soul/body fear, only our mind is able to connect with the Divine and obtain eternal existence, and they are aware of that. As soon as our mind has connected with Spirit, they have lost us. That's their greatest fear, because then they can't 'hitch a ride' to Orion. (which they think is possible). I agree that the mind cannot be abused by Yaldabaoth as the mind is actually a spiritual mind. However the artificial overlay that in the GT is refered to as the artificial spirit can have a detrimental effect on our lifes and the lifes of others if we (the spiritual mind) allow it to have free rein. That, to me, is the simplicity of it. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 2, 2020 1:56:37 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. In addition to all the new information we have learned from in the GT, I have still not at all abandoned the idea of a "subconscious mind." We know for a fact that we get affected by trauma. The mind dissociates, and the traumatic incident then stays in the subconscious mind and affects us in different similar life situations later in life. The subconscious mind is sometimes called the "Reptilian mind" or the "Reptilian Brain." So, from our new GT perspectives, and knowing that the archons copy everything, why wouldn't they copy the mind, too? The Rep Mind is the fight/fawn/flight/freeze part of our mind, so when the complex human, who is also possessed by archontic forces, gets traumatized, they react. What reacts to danger? The mind does. We get into this fight/fawn/flight/freeze mode and dissociate in order to survive. It is not anything wrong with temporary dissociation. E.g. if someone shoots you in the leg, and you know the shooter will try to kill you, you could still potentially and temporarily run with your wounded leg by dissociating from the pain, also using your adrenaline, which will be released in your body. But if something like that happened in the Second Atlantis, for example, the person in danger went back to be "whole" again when the danger was over, with only the memory and experience of the danger left, which he probably completely remembered (no reptilian mind) in order to use as an experience if a similar situation would show up. The subconscious mind, in the sense that it hides a part of the mind in an amnesiac state, I believe only has existed in THIS construct. So what happens in MK ULTRA, for example? They severely traumatize the mind of the victim. The trauma transfers to the sub-mind, and then they program the sub-mind---not the genuine mind. But the trauma is so severe and properly programmed, so long as the victim is still alive, he/she will shift personalities by a trigger code. However, it will not damage the genuine mind, once the sub-mind is dissolved in the afterlife. That's how I see it. |
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Post by AlexSWE on Aug 2, 2020 2:25:27 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. I agree to what you are saying sicily. |
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Post by lindi732 on Aug 2, 2020 12:54:51 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. I’m also agreeing with sicily, here. You, sahib, are so well versed on these things...Religions, Gnosticism, NAG TEXTS, the WPPs, etc.. You are very intelligent, extremely well read, have an excellent memory and ability to recall what you have read, and clearly have an abundance of knowledge and experience teaching these things. We are very fortunate that you are on this forum. You actually help add clarity to many questions posed, here. It’s just the WAY you respond that can be “off putting”. We are all “seekers” here, or there would be no need in having a forum like this. We ask questions because we don’t understand and express our thoughts/opinions based on our understanding. The GT’s are a difficult read and difficult to understand (for many). Add these to the WPP’s (which brought us to Wes in the first place) when we question or pose a questions, we do so because we seek clarity. I experienced a similar situation in a high school class, that I enjoyed quite a bit. The teacher was one of my favorites and he enjoyed stimulating a lot of discussion in his class. However, there was one student that would challenge not only the teacher but all the other students on various topics. Ordinarily, That would not be a problem, and many times it was quite interesting, but sometimes this one student would make everyone else’s opinion or way of thinking about a topic seem insubstantial (or small) compared to his. I began to stop participating in discussion because I thought my ideas/opinions would be considered stupid. I pretty much just sat and listened, participating less in the discussion. Over time, I began to voice my opinion and ask questions no matter what anyone thought about them, but that journey in itself was difficult because I had such low self esteem, throughout much of my life. You have quite a good self esteem and I think it is such a great thing to possess. We should all value our thoughts and opinions on things as highly as you do yours. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case for everyone. I don’t mind when you speak your mind. I have learned to read through the seeming “distain” in some of your responses. My father was quite domineering very much like you when it came to vocalizing his opinion about things. I learned a lot from him and had great respect for his opinions. You ARE very helpful when it comes to adding clarity to concepts that can be confusing. It’s just the WAY you answer that can be off putting. |
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Post by vitalinfo on Aug 2, 2020 13:22:18 GMT
Since Wes discovered in the GT that the mind is of spiritual origin and will eventually, when purified, be allowed in the Pluroma we have a whole new perspective. We are the mind so we will be able to enter the Pluroma after all. For a moment we thought that we as a soul could only exist in Orion. Not everybody on this forum were too happy about that and understandably so.
I have been doing a lot of thinking on this mind stuff and I want to share my thoughts with you.
As I understand it now there are four types of mind. I have put them in the order of importance:
1. The spiritual mind
2. The subconscious mind
3. The survival mind
4. The somatic mind
The spiritual mind belongs to the Pluroma. It is our personality. It is who we are and it contains the totality of our experiences in the Kenoma as a knowing.
The subconscious mind has several names. I list them out below:
Artificial soul
Artificial spirit
Reactive mind
These names can be confusing as we now know that the soul is not the mind. The soul seems to be the carrier of the mind at least when it exists in the Kenoma. The term artificial spirit, as used in the GT, is probably a better term but doesn’t indicate any functionality. The words reactive mind or subconscious mind tell you what it is. The word subconscious mind is used a lot in many fields of thinking. That is why I think this would be the best name for it.
The subconscious mind just as the survival mind are reacting instantly on outside stimuli but there is a difference. The subconscious mind is based on trauma whereas the survival mind is based on survival strategies when the body is in danger. Animals operate mainly on the survival mind also called the reptilian brain or the reptilian mind. I say “mainly” because animals seem to have a subconscious mind as well. They can learn things and by that change their programs or install a new one.
The subconscious mind is not entirely based on trauma. It has other aspects to it. It also contains an array of different programs that allow us to function in the 3D world. The main program is the learning program. When we learn how to do something we put it on automatic. After that we don’t need to think about the motions. We just do the motions and we can even think about other things while doing what we need to do. Or we can do more than one thing at the same time.
All bodily functions run on programs as well and are part of the subconscious mind but can also be seen as a separate mind that I want to call the somatic mind. The somatic mind is part of the nomenclature used in the Scientology philosophy. It can be seen as the most basic mind.
All these minds accept for the spiritual mind are Yaldabaoths creations. We know from the GT that all bodily functions are made possible due to their archontic attachment.
The mind is a fascination subject. I don’t pretend to know much about it. Not by a long shot. While being here on this prison planet we might never really fathom the vastness of this subject.
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Post by vitalinfo on Aug 2, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. I’m also agreeing with sicily, here. You, sahib, are so well versed on these things...Religions, Gnosticism, NAG TEXTS, the WPPs, etc.. You are very intelligent, extremely well read, have an excellent memory and ability to recall what you have read, and clearly have an abundance of knowledge and experience teaching these things. We are very fortunate that you are on this forum. You actually help add clarity to many questions posed, here. It’s just the WAY you respond that can be “off putting”. We are all “seekers” here, or there would be no need in having a forum like this. We ask questions because we don’t understand and express our thoughts/opinions based on our understanding. The GT’s are a difficult read and difficult to understand (for many). Add these to the WPP’s (which brought us to Wes in the first place) when we question or pose a questions, we do so because we seek clarity. I experienced a similar situation in a high school class, that I enjoyed quite a bit. The teacher was one of my favorites and he enjoyed stimulating a lot of discussion in his class. However, there was one student that would challenge not only the teacher but all the other students on various topics. Ordinarily, That would not be a problem, and many times it was quite interesting, but sometimes this one student would make everyone else’s opinion or way of thinking about a topic seem insubstantial (or small) compared to his. I began to stop participating in discussion because I thought my ideas/opinions would be considered stupid. I pretty much just sat and listened, participating less in the discussion. Over time, I began to voice my opinion and ask questions no matter what anyone thought about them, but that journey in itself was difficult because I had such low self esteem, throughout much of my life. You have quite a good self esteem and I think it is such a great thing to possess. We should all value our thoughts and opinions on things as highly as you do yours. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case for everyone. I don’t mind when you speak your mind. I have learned to read through the seeming “distain” in some of your responses. My father was quite domineering very much like you when it came to vocalizing his opinion about things. I learned a lot from him and had great respect for his opinions. You ARE very helpful when it comes to adding clarity to concepts that can be confusing. It’s just the WAY you answer that can be off putting. I have no problem with Sahibs contributions to this forum. I do understand that some of you have difficulty with his way of putting things. I have asked myself if I am not to much being a know best with my posts. According to the youngest dauther of my wife I also have a tendency to lecture people. So I hope I am not coming across as someone who wants to show superiority. |
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Post by lindi732 on Aug 2, 2020 14:08:51 GMT
I’m also agreeing with sicily, here. You, sahib, are so well versed on these things...Religions, Gnosticism, NAG TEXTS, the WPPs, etc.. You are very intelligent, extremely well read, have an excellent memory and ability to recall what you have read, and clearly have an abundance of knowledge and experience teaching these things. We are very fortunate that you are on this forum. You actually help add clarity to many questions posed, here. It’s just the WAY you respond that can be “off putting”. We are all “seekers” here, or there would be no need in having a forum like this. We ask questions because we don’t understand and express our thoughts/opinions based on our understanding. The GT’s are a difficult read and difficult to understand (for many). Add these to the WPP’s (which brought us to Wes in the first place) when we question or pose a questions, we do so because we seek clarity. I experienced a similar situation in a high school class, that I enjoyed quite a bit. The teacher was one of my favorites and he enjoyed stimulating a lot of discussion in his class. However, there was one student that would challenge not only the teacher but all the other students on various topics. Ordinarily, That would not be a problem, and many times it was quite interesting, but sometimes this one student would make everyone else’s opinion or way of thinking about a topic seem insubstantial (or small) compared to his. I began to stop participating in discussion because I thought my ideas/opinions would be considered stupid. I pretty much just sat and listened, participating less in the discussion. Over time, I began to voice my opinion and ask questions no matter what anyone thought about them, but that journey in itself was difficult because I had such low self esteem, throughout much of my life. You have quite a good self esteem and I think it is such a great thing to possess. We should all value our thoughts and opinions on things as highly as you do yours. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case for everyone. I don’t mind when you speak your mind. I have learned to read through the seeming “distain” in some of your responses. My father was quite domineering very much like you when it came to vocalizing his opinion about things. I learned a lot from him and had great respect for his opinions. You ARE very helpful when it comes to adding clarity to concepts that can be confusing. It’s just the WAY you answer that can be off putting. I have no problem with Sahibs contributions to this forum. I do understand that some of you have difficulty with his way of putting things. I have asked myself if I am not to much being a know best with my posts. According to the youngest dauther of my wife I also have a tendency to lecture people. So I hope I am not coming across as someone who wants to show superiority. I agree, Vitalinfo. In general, I welcome sahib’s input. I ask for it. But, replying to sicily, I do recognize her point. sahib, does remind me of my father. My father was a wealth of knowledge. I welcomed his ideas; his knowledge. But, many times he made our (my sisters AND my mother’s) thoughts and opinions seem insignificant compared to his. If he said it was so, then there no debating. If we dared to question him, then we’d be in for an argument; therefore, we kept silent. I’m not saying he was wrong. He was a force to be reckoned with, and in many cases, that was a good thing. He didn’t realize what he was doing until much later, when my youngest sister was becoming a little mouse...very easily intimidated and wouldn’t speak up. He changed his manner with her. Now, she’s almost like him...but in a good way. She does not force her opinion, but she still believes she’s right about most things. And, in some cases she is. I was not attempting to make sahib a “bad guy”. He’s a beautiful soul, like we all are. However, he, like the rest of us, is not perfect in thought, in mind or in opinion. We are a “family” here. At least that’s my opinion, and I hope we able to speak our minds in good faith. No malice intended. |
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Post by sahib on Aug 2, 2020 14:46:35 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. I’m also agreeing with sicily, here. You, sahib, are so well versed on these things...Religions, Gnosticism, NAG TEXTS, the WPPs, etc.. You are very intelligent, extremely well read, have an excellent memory and ability to recall what you have read, and clearly have an abundance of knowledge and experience teaching these things. We are very fortunate that you are on this forum. You actually help add clarity to many questions posed, here. It’s just the WAY you respond that can be “off putting”. We are all “seekers” here, or there would be no need in having a forum like this. We ask questions because we don’t understand and express our thoughts/opinions based on our understanding. The GT’s are a difficult read and difficult to understand (for many). Add these to the WPP’s (which brought us to Wes in the first place) when we question or pose a questions, we do so because we seek clarity. I experienced a similar situation in a high school class, that I enjoyed quite a bit. The teacher was one of my favorites and he enjoyed stimulating a lot of discussion in his class. However, there was one student that would challenge not only the teacher but all the other students on various topics. Ordinarily, That would not be a problem, and many times it was quite interesting, but sometimes this one student would make everyone else’s opinion or way of thinking about a topic seem insubstantial (or small) compared to his. I began to stop participating in discussion because I thought my ideas/opinions would be considered stupid. I pretty much just sat and listened, participating less in the discussion. Over time, I began to voice my opinion and ask questions no matter what anyone thought about them, but that journey in itself was difficult because I had such low self esteem, throughout much of my life. You have quite a good self esteem and I think it is such a great thing to possess. We should all value our thoughts and opinions on things as highly as you do yours. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case for everyone. I don’t mind when you speak your mind. I have learned to read through the seeming “distain” in some of your responses. My father was quite domineering very much like you when it came to vocalizing his opinion about things. I learned a lot from him and had great respect for his opinions. You ARE very helpful when it comes to adding clarity to concepts that can be confusing. It’s just the WAY you answer that can be off putting. I absolutely agree with sicily and also what you’ve written lindi about me as a person. I know who I am, how I tend to appear to people with my opinions, and those who regularly deal with me know this too and, as you write, have no problem with my personality over the years. I am the way I am, I can try to make myself appear 'softer', but then I'm not real anymore. Then I've become an actor and that's not my way of being. I can't and I don't want to put every word on a scale to see if it will be approved by others, I can't live and write like that. On my tombstone will be: I've done it “My Way”. I believe this is a forum where opinions can be shared, a place where we learn from each other's opinions and insights. I’m aware that no opinion or insight holds the entire TRUTH. And it’s never my intention to hurt someone with what I express, and if it appears that way, I do apologize. I'm still learning from everything and everyone, also on this forum, and I'm always willing to revise or adjust my opinion if necessary, but I cannot change myself. I’ve tried to be someone else many times in my life and it only brought ‘unhappy experiences’, to put it gently. I also know from myself that as soon as I’ve gained a certain insight, I can express it very powerfully and that others can become disturbed by my way of expressing it. Just let me know, I don't mind, because I know you are right. Just as you do, lindi, from time to time, that’s alright and correct. In our opinion it's not about the person who expresses it, it's always about the opinion itself. That's up for discussion, that's where we can learn from each other. Stupid or intelligent opinions don’t exist for me, only what we can understand and share together up to this moment in time, and complement each other. That will enrich all of us, on our way ‘Home’. And finally, it's a good thing that Orion is a very vast realm, we don't have to bump into each other if we don't want to. |
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Post by Ariel on Aug 2, 2020 16:49:22 GMT
This thread isn't meant to be used to critque someone's personality. Disagreeing with a person's opinion or conclusions are fine, but there are healthy ways to deal with the emotions that come up when that happens.
sahib has expressed that he is well aware of how his way of writing is likely to trigger people.
We don't know sahib. The way sahib interacts on this forum is only a very tiny glimpse of one facet of his personality and not the whole of his character. He isn't standing in front of us like a domineering father and he isn't speaking for the entire class which makes our own voice seem inconsequential. He's simply expressing his conclusions and opinions on an internet forum by writing them. No one is being attacked, but I understand it can feel like an attack, especially if this triggers or reminds us of past feelings in which we felt intimidated by other strong and assertive personalities. This is called an 'emotional flashback' in the psuedo-psychology community because the current experience has "triggered" or brought to the surface suppressed emotions that were created by past experiences.
sahib seems to be assertive, strong, and confident. These are all very good character traits, by the way. However, some people have had relationships, or at least encounters, with people in the past who were also assertive, strong, and confident. In those past experiences, this type of dominant personality was used to manipulate and hurt others. sahib is not here to hurt anyone. He has said that. He's even apologized, which a manipulative person would not do. A manipulative and toxic person would not be so self-reflective and humble. We can all really use this as an opportunity to learn how to communicate in healthy manner. Myself, included. This is a learning experience that we are creating for each other. NO ONE knows how to communicate perfectly because there isn't ONE person on this forum who has not been negatively affected by another human being. NONE. Such is this life...
This can be a wonderful opportunity to look at what the emotions are that have been brought to the surface and do some inner/shadow work on those feelings. In this regard, we can be grateful for sahib's ability to trigger those much-needed-to-be-confronted-emotions that are always lurking under the surface that make us feel bad about ourselves. sahib doesn't need to change the way he is, he's right - then he's being inauthentic and we don't want that. This is a safe place to explore and do some much needed emotional healing and confidence building. No one is inconsequential on this forum. Everyone's expression is valid and important.
For those who do not want to read the posts of other members, there is a feature in each person's profile settings to block interactions with other members. Go to Profile -> edit profile -> privacy -> scroll down the list to member block list. Add the member's profile to that list and click "save".
Let's try to come back to the topic of this thread. Thank you.
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Post by Ariel on Aug 2, 2020 18:36:34 GMT
Edit to add ~ Just so that NO ONE feels invalidated in this thread, I don't want it to seem like I was defending ONLY sahib's expression. Those who also were expressing their feelings about the way the information is being communicated are ALSO strong, confident, and assertive. This shows a very clear example of establishing boundaries in the ways we will and will not tolerate interaction with others. This is a very healthy way to inform others that there is a boundary which cannot and should not be crossed. We teach people how to treat us. That is not an offense against another person. Putting up a boundary in front of someone and essentially saying, "I do not allow this type of communication to be directed at me," is a sign of inner strength and self-protection that many people (myself, included) have a difficult time establishing. That is one of the most difficult things that I still have trouble with..." my boundaries are not an attack on you" kind of thing. I was raised by a father who did not allow for personal boundaries of any kind. That's why I didn't see it, at first. Also, conflict makes me feel very uncomfortable ('peacemaker' thing). Now, I'm continuing to take the thread off topic.  lol Maybe I didn't need to say any of this? Well, if nothing else, everyone has seen my own insecurities being triggered in this thread. lol Okay...I'm done. THANKS sahib, sicily, and lindi for the unexpected shadow work! lol |
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Post by sahib on Aug 2, 2020 21:08:28 GMT
Sahib wrote: I don't agree with the "control" of "minds" because "ignorant" souls make a choice "awakened" souls won't make. It's just THEIR choice to wear masks, or wanting to be tested and are desiring the vaccine, not the almighty archons "make" them do that, as you assume.
Where's our own responsibility? As for our soul or body, I'm convinced we're in their control but also then we make our own decisions how to react or deal with certain circumstances.Then why do THEY use all this programming and mind control if their is not a mind to control. Their is clearly a mind that they want to INFLUENCE so we will use our free will to do what they want us to do. It happens all the time so the Archon's attempt is to sway us. Yes, you hammer away at free will, our choice but that choice can be tampered and is, so this free will can be swayed. If the general population was not swayed into making choices that keep this prison going, then why are we still here. Sahib wrote: We shouldn't blame Yald for everything that we feel end up wrong or in the wrong direction, we are responsible for that ourselves.
Who is blaming Yald, this is your interpretation of what I said, I am not blaming him and just made a statement about our 3d mind and how he made it/influences it. I am not blaming him. Sahib, you often come off in some sort of preaching mode that I often have some problems with and this is why I do not respond to you very often because I find alot of your posts off putting. Preachy, virtue signaling, these are just YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS, they do not carry more weight then anyone else's. I would like to ask you not to respond to my posts, they are not helpful to me they may be for other's but I would like to ask if you do respond do not quote me. In addition to all the new information we have learned from in the GT, I have still not at all abandoned the idea of a "subconscious mind." We know for a fact that we get affected by trauma. The mind dissociates, and the traumatic incident then stays in the subconscious mind and affects us in different similar life situations later in life. The subconscious mind is sometimes called the "Reptilian mind" or the "Reptilian Brain." So, from our new GT perspectives, and knowing that the archons copy everything, why wouldn't they copy the mind, too? The Rep Mind is the fight/fawn/flight/freeze part of our mind, so when the complex human, who is also possessed by archontic forces, gets traumatized, they react. What reacts to danger? The mind does. We get into this fight/fawn/flight/freeze mode and dissociate in order to survive. It is not anything wrong with temporary dissociation. E.g. if someone shoots you in the leg, and you know the shooter will try to kill you, you could still potentially and temporarily run with your wounded leg by dissociating from the pain, also using your adrenaline, which will be released in your body. But if something like that happened in the Second Atlantis, for example, the person in danger went back to be "whole" again when the danger was over, with only the memory and experience of the danger left, which he probably completely remembered (no reptilian mind) in order to use as an experience if a similar situation would show up. The subconscious mind, in the sense that it hides a part of the mind in an amnesiac state, I believe only has existed in THIS construct. So what happens in MK ULTRA, for example? They severely traumatize the mind of the victim. The trauma transfers to the sub-mind, and then they program the sub-mind---not the genuine mind. But the trauma is so severe and properly programmed, so long as the victim is still alive, he/she will shift personalities by a trigger code. However, it will not damage the genuine mind, once the sub-mind is dissolved in the afterlife. That's how I see it. Wes, I understand what you’re saying here, and I agree with this way of looking at it. And yes, who would have expected we would talk about these subjects a few months ago? I certainly didn’t, but I do like it. I have a feeling we’re closing in to the core of the knowledge that’s important for our journey Home. OK, were talking about the “mind”. In the beginning I have noticed that I looked very much at the "mind" from my human perspective. Lately, I wanted to see it more and more from a "divine" perspective and there I encountered several problems within myself. It's often not easy to change your perspective and trying to keep it that way, I constantly fell back to my human points of view. But now I want to try to approach it from a 'divine point of view'. In order to do so, I have to look at the 'mind' within a larger structure. Very often we talk to each other about the `mind' on an individual level, but the 'mind' of a 'human soul group' is a completely different category. We are linked to members of our own social group, i.e. the human soul group. There is also an 'animal soul group' field and there is an 'archon soul group' field. Maybe there are more, but that's not relevant here. All members work together in their own field, you could say that there is only one mind per soul group. But each member also has their own individual 'mind', and that's what we normally talk about in our discussions, within our human perspective. From the perspective of a 'Divine' Creator, we have to take into account the ''social group mind''. And this is what we sometimes forget to look at, in my opinion. The word ‘mind’ is actually only thought processing of data in our brain, it’s just the surface of the “real mind”. I’m glad I’ve found someone who can explain it much better than I could here, what I’m trying to convey with this writing. Yogi ‘Sadhguru’ explains it very well, when he talks about ‘chitta’, the most inner core of the mind, what we call consciousness. But that word also evokes associations I don't want to use. It's a bit hard to explain what I mean by this writing. So, I’m very happy to offer you a video where Sadhguru explains exactly what I have problems with to explain properly. For a better understanding I suggest watching the video from the beginning, then you will be better prepared to see it from the “morphogentic fields” by Rupert Sheldrake. By the way, it’s a video made by Robert Sepehr. If you listen to timeframe 17:25 the Yogi Sadhguru starts talking about this matter of the ‘mind’, where he connects the individual mind and the ‘group mind’, and “All That Is”. What do you think of this? ps. I liked his humor when he says "the smartest thing of the people is their phone." |
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Post by sahib on Aug 2, 2020 22:04:55 GMT
In addition to my last post, in which I emphasized the 'mind' from a 'divine perspective', I would like to post here a video about the 'human perspective' of the mind, in preparation for the 'divine perspective' of this same mind. Because there’s no separation, “all is one”.
It's a video in which the same Yogi Sadhguru talks about the 'human spirit' as the creator of his own human life, to eventually become a 'creator god' on a higher level of existence.
For me, this is great wisdom told in 17 minutes.
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(and actually I'm a lousy shooter)
lol Maybe I didn't need to say any of this? Well, if nothing else, everyone has seen my own insecurities being triggered in this thread. lol Okay...I'm done. THANKS sahib, sicily, and lindi for the unexpected shadow work! lol