Gnostic Musings #4: Spirit vs. Soul--Which Goes Where?

Many times we said:"But we are Sophia" but are we? Are we a soul or are we spirit? 

Exchange 'artificial soul' with 'artificial spirit' or 'counterfeit spirit.' The two latter terms are used in the Gnostic texts.

When Ariel and I did our research, before we had encountered the gnostic texts, we realized that a part of us was "artificial," and we interpreted that as being an artificial SOUL because of the soul splinter in the Between Lives Area.

The artificial spirit is the archontic attachment to all of us humans, as described in the Gnostic texts and our Gnosis Series. It's mainly located in our physical bodies, but we carry some of that with us after body death in form of archontic "beliefs" and manipulation, which keep the archontic forces attached.

When the Kenoma is being consumed, the archons will eventually be destroyed together with the Kenoma, so they won't be directly attached to us anymore. However, even if the archons would be destroyed tomorrow, most humans still carry attachments to this world and beliefs that we've caught from the archons. We need to try to get rid of these attachments as much as we can, starting now. It's probably not possible to get rid of them all, so long as we're in the Kenoma. But once at the Gates of Orion, we must be WILLING to shed all that in order to be able to enter Orion at all. We will get help with that, but in order for it to work, we must be willing to surrender everything we learned and took to heart while living here in the Kenoma.

Wes Penre , this question is about the soul and timelines.  I understand that we are individual units of consciousness.  It is also my understanding that  “lindi” is the soul consciousness that exists in this LIFETIME during this TIMELINE.  Does it still hold true that there are other parts (fractals) of my soul consciousness that also exist on other timelines with different personalities?  Are there “pieces” of soul which is part of the lindi soul that currently exist, let’s say in 1508, another in 1765, etc.?   If this IS the case, will these soul fractals/splinters/pieces exit when lindi exits?   Would they need to have gnosis to leave?

The way I see it is that a soul that has achieved Gnosis can distinguish between what's of the Kenoma and what is their spiritual values. Even though none of us probably will be able to get rid of all our attachments and archontic beliefs before we exit, we need to be willing to let go of all that, once we stand at the entry of Orion. We can't bring any archontic attachments into Orion (not even beliefs, because that's an attachment, too). If we're willing to do that, we will get help getting rid of it.

However, a soul who is not of Knowledge might want to hold onto things that they can't bring into Orion. No one will be forced to, but those souls will probably go to the "holding station," where they will dwell under some circumstances where they get a second chance to rid themselves of their baggage. 

You mentioned anger and hatred as examples. I can imagine that the soul will be asked if they are ready to get rid of that. I can also imagine there are those who don't want to. E.g. they might blame others for certain condition and won't let things go, and they don't want to look at it from any other perspective. So, openness and willingness to let go.

Very good question from you Tim because I'm of the same opinion. For me, it was always going back to the Father, to Source. For me as a soul, not just the Spirit of Sophia.

This matter is very difficult for us humans to grasp, hence the saying, "The Lord works in mysterious ways." More than 60 years of my life I'm convinced that one day I will be reunited with Source, and in what capacity I don't know, those are Heavenly Affairs, that's not what I' m about.

Yeah, these passages that you're quoting that I knew, they're also confirmations that I had about this.

On the other hand, the possibilities we would have once reunited with Source, could be as Wes describes in the last Musing article. For example, our creative ambitions could take place in the 8th realm. We will be the same as the Aeons for that matter, the accompanying text doesn't come to mind right now, I would have to look it up.

Thanks for posting this, Tim. It's a good argument. I have pondered this a lot, too, considering different sources. This is what I've personally concluded:

Me, whom I know as "Wes," is not Spirit, it's the soul with its soul memories and experiences that have been accumulated over lifetimes. This is the ego, whom I consider being my "personality." It's different from Spirit, which is not my personality. Moreover, most people are not even connected to Spirit inside--they are almost completely reactive, acting on archontic emotions, etc. The Gnostic texts call it "ignorance/darkness." Then, we connect to Spirit after having achieved Knowledge from Christ's Message, and Spirit starts flowing through us and guiding us. We say we are "awake."

We know that Spirit is Sophia/Christ, but she lent us sparks of this Spirit, so we can help Sophia uncreate the Kenoma. So, we have two different things going for us--we have the soul, which is made of star-fire (we are star beings and a star race). The soul is created in the Kenoma and becomes the person. But the soul can't enter the Pleroma because it's made of bio-electricity, which is non-existent in the Pleroma. 

Sophia, on the other hand, is of the Pleroma. She will retrieve the Spirit she's invested in us and return from whence she came. What we call Orion is her Creation--her balanced Universe because of the reconnection with her consort--Christ. Souls stay in Orion, while Sophia returns. But because Orion is her Universe, her Spirit is still invested in her own created Universe, and we, the souls, have Gnosis with Spirit all around us. 

I can't see how we, the souls with their personalities can enter the Pleroma, unless there is something unknown that we still need to figure out. I also have it from a very credible source while writing the WPP that the souls go to Orion and become Creator Gods. So, Sophia creates HER Universe (Orion) and we, the souls, create in HER Universe, and everything expands. 

I am aware what the Gnostic texts say about the different kinds of humans, but I have difficulties understanding how some souls/personalities can enter the Pleroma. However, it's a great subject for discussion.

Thank you for these questions, Cheryl! I'm happy when people write down their thoughts

Yes, Spirit is a loan. It was attached to us in order to help Sophia retrieve the Kenoma into her creation. Right now, Orion is already lit up with Spirit--there is no darkness anymore in Orion. In the Kenoma, there is darkness because Knowledge/Light has yet to enter these Heavens. When that has been done, everything is lit up, and ignorance become knowledge, i.e. the Kenoma will be absorbed into Orion, if we look at it from an ultimate standpoint. Sophia's creation will then be perfect.

So, Spirit that is currently attached to us will be retrieved eventually. It was only needed for our Mission. Sophia will return to the Pleroma, but part of her Spirit will still be very much present in Orion. Her Universe (Orion) is created by Spirit, so Spirit will definitely be present. Cheryl will be a soul/creator god in Orion with Gnosis within you and all around. Sophia created Orion (the material universe). We, as souls, are the inhabitants of her creation. We, in turn, create WITHIN her Universe (Orion). So, the Universe expands as our creations expand. Sophia expands because we expand, and ultimately, the Monad/God "expands" by learning more about Itself.

We will be very much aware of Sophia's presence in Orion because she is everywhere in her own creation and we have Gnosis and can pick up Spirit from everywhere--no more ignorance. So yes, we will have a connection with her. No more amnesia. You bring your experiences in the Kenoma with you into Orion, but only as experiences, not as trauma.

And it IS separation. The only Oneness is the Monad Itself before It emanated the Aeons. That was the first separation. We are meant to be separated in order to experience from many different perspectives/dimensions. Our purpose is not to merge with Source/Monad/God. 

Wes wrote: I can't see how we, the souls with their personalities can enter the Pleroma, unless there is something unknown that we still need to figure out.

And also: But it's not 100% clear. It can also be interpreted as if the "fourth race," which is perfected, goes to the Pleroma. But is it only Spirit, and the soul is dissolved, or does it imply that Spirit AND soul go to the Pleroma? 

In my opinion there IS something ‘unknown’ indeed, something ‘mysterious’, a divine transformation process.

What we call ‘Gnosis’ is the connection with Spirit/Sophia, the biblical version of “Baptised with the Holy Spirit” and as John the Baptist added also: with ‘fire’, when Yeshua asked John to baptize him in water.
(Matt 3:11)

This means to me that Gnosis is a ‘baptism’ in the Spirit of Sophia with ‘fire’. And ‘fire’ cleanses and transforms the soul and the soul becomes ‘kingless and perfect’, detached and free from the yoke of Ignorance, from darkness. Ready to enter Home/Pleroma once.

That's why I’ve made a distinction between #1) soul/body/spirit, #2) soul/spirit/body, and #3) spirited-soul/body.

#1 an ignorant soul, voluntary or not
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#2 an 'awakened' soul who has' knowledge of redemption' but hasn't received Gnosis or cleaning with ‘fire’, yet
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#3 a soul that has received Gnosis and has been transformed by this 'cleansing fire' and made 'perfect' as a result. Very often one speaks of a 'rebirth', of being born again, becoming a new soul, a perfect soul.

It is logical that this ‘spirited-soul’ needs to be 'worked on' afterwards, but that doesn’t make the soul less perfect, for it was already declared perfect in God's eyes by Gnosis/rebirth.

In conclusion, it implies that Spirit AND soul, a transformed, perfect spirited-soul being goes to the Pleroma. There it is considered brother and sister of the Aeons.

I'm still trying to find the accompanying text, but for now I'll quote this text from "The Sophia of Jesus Christ" ( NHC III, excerpt 117).

"Whoever, then, knows the Father in pure knowledge will depart to the Father and repose in Unbegotten Father. But whoever knows him defectively will depart to the defect and the rest of the Eighth.”

This text it clearly states that: ‘in pure knowledge = Gnosis’ will depart to Source in the Pleroma, while those know Him ‘defectively = without Gnosis’ stays in the 8th realm.


Makes sense?

As I’ve said before, there’s something ‘unknown’, something ‘mysterious’, a divine transformation process.

I don't think we should try to understand God's ways with our 'human' mind, that's doomed to fail. Sometimes we just have to admit that we cannot fathom something because we are still equipped with a human mindset.

It is written in the GT that the Pleroma is a 'world of Light'. Isn't Light energy?

When we say that Source 'IS', does that also imply that Source is not energy? Divine energy perhaps? Do we know what that means? Not just energy, like we think of energy on Earth. It is useless to try to describe Source, that goes way, way, way above our heads!

This way the discussion becomes more like a play of words to me, while it doesn't matter to me whether I'm in the Pleroma as a soul or as a spirit. My intention is to share what I have learned from 'hidden' concepts with others, and in doing so I would also like to learn from the insights of others.

As soon as we leave our bodies, after death, many processes will go by themselves, determined by the choices we make now, while we are still alive. The most important thing is to experience Gnosis, then this choice will be further finetuned by the 'hidden' knowledge that Spirit is going to give us.

My personal yardstick is when I can see for myself that I have gained different, new insights than, for example, six months ago. Then I can tell whether I am making progress or whether I am stuck somewhere in my spiritual development. So far I am surprised about what has emerged in my thinking lately, but more importantly in my heart.

I’m on the right track, so to speak.