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Post by Noor on Jul 24, 2020 14:34:19 GMT
Hi Ariel; ok.Please see below FEW sayings about END TIMES mentioned in Islamic scriptures, I am putting them as is without any changes for your review. --------------------------- A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.
Sahih Muslim#7299 Status: صحیح ___________________________________________
Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: The Last Hour would not come until fire emits from the earth of Hijaz which would illuminate the necks of the camels of the Busra.
Sahih Muslim#7289
Status: صحیح _______________________________________________
Hudhaifa b. Usaid al-Ghifari reported: Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion). He said: What do you discuss about? They (the Companions) said. We are discussing about the Last Hour. Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the smoke, Dajjal, the beast, the rising of the sun from the west, the descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him), the Gog and Magog, and land-slides in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia at the end of which fire would burn forth from the Yemen, and would drive people to the place of their assembly.
Sahih Muslim#7285
Status: صحیح __________________________________________
Abu Bakra reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: There would soon be turmoil. Behold! there would be turmoil in which the one who would be seated would be better than one who would stand and the one who would stand would be better than one who would run. Behold! when the turmoil comes or it appears, the one who has camel should stick to his camel and he who has sheep or goat should stick to his sheep and goat and he who has land should stick to the land. A person said: 'Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion about one who has neither camel nor sheep nor land? Thereupon, he said: He should take hold of his sword and beat its edge with the help of stone and then try to find a way of escape. O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message). A person said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion if I am drawn to a rank in spite of myself, or in one of the groups and made to march and a man strikes with his sword or there comes an arrow and kills me? Thereupon he said: He will bear the punishment of his sin and that of yours and he would be one amongst the denizens of Hell.
Sahih Muslim#7250
Status: صحیح ___________________________________________
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: There will be soon a period of turmoil in which the one who sits will be better than one who stands and the one who stands will be better than one who walks and the one who walks will be better than one who runs. He who would watch them will be drawn by them. So he who finds a refuge or shelter against it should make it as his resort.
Sahih Muslim#7247
Status: صحیح ______________________________________________
Abdullah b. 'Amr reported that a person came to him and said: What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour would come at such and such time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or the words to the same effect). I have decided that I would not narrate anything to anyone now. I had only said that you would see after some time an important event that the (sacred) House (Ka'ba) would be burnt and it would happen and definitely happen. He then reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: The Dajjal would appear in my Ummah and he would stay (in the world) for forty - I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. And Allah would then send Jesus son of Mary who would resemble 'Urwa b Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) would chase him and kill him. Then people would live for seven years that there would be no rancour between two persons. Then Allah would send cold wind from the side of Syria that none would survive upon the earth having a speck of good in him or faith in him but he would die, so much so that even if some amongst you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and that would cause his death. I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then Satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet would be blown and no one would hear that but he would bend his neck to one side and raise it from the other side and the first one to hear that trumpet would be the person who would be busy in setting right the tank meant for providing water to the camels. He would swoon and the other people would also swoon, then Allah would send or He would cause to send rain which would be like dew and there would grow out of it the bodies of the people. Then the second trumpet would be blown and they would stand up and begin to look (around). Then it would be said: O people, go to your Lord, and make them stand there. And they would be questioned. Then it would be said: Bring out a group (out of them) for the Hell-Fire. And then it would be asked: How much? It would be said: Nine hundred and ninty-nine out of one thousand for the Hell-Fire and that would be the day which would make the children old because of its terror and that would be the day about which it has been said: On the day when the shank would be uncovered (lxviii. 42).
Sahih Muslim#7381
Status: صحیح ____________________________________________
An-Nawwas b. Sam`an reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant (and we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah's Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees. Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: I harbor fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to `Abd-ul-`Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah's Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah's Messenger, would one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah's Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their pasturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth. He would then walk through the waste land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would be at this very time that Allah would send Jesus, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odor of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur. And then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels' hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them.
Sahih Muslim#7373
Status: صحیح
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Post by Ariel on Jul 24, 2020 17:46:44 GMT
This original post was made in the Gnostic section by Noor, and it begins the discussion of Islamic Scriptures. I feel this deserves its own thread.
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from Noor:
Please see below FEW sayings about END TIMES mentioned in Islamic scriptures, I am putting them as is without any changes for your review.
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A'isha reported:
I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.
Sahih Muslim#7299 Status:
صحیح
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Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said:
The Last Hour would not come until fire emits from the earth of Hijaz which would illuminate the necks of the camels of the Busra.
Sahih Muslim#7289
Status: صحیح
_______________________________________________
Hudhaifa b. Usaid al-Ghifari reported:
Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion). He said: What do you discuss about? They (the Companions) said. We are discussing about the Last Hour. Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the smoke, Dajjal, the beast, the rising of the sun from the west, the descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him), the Gog and Magog, and land-slides in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia at the end of which fire would burn forth from the Yemen, and would drive people to the place of their assembly.
Sahih Muslim#7285
Status: صحیح
__________________________________________
Abu Bakra reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying:
There would soon be turmoil. Behold! there would be turmoil in which the one who would be seated would be better than one who would stand and the one who would stand would be better than one who would run. Behold! when the turmoil comes or it appears, the one who has camel should stick to his camel and he who has sheep or goat should stick to his sheep and goat and he who has land should stick to the land. A person said: 'Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion about one who has neither camel nor sheep nor land? Thereupon, he said: He should take hold of his sword and beat its edge with the help of stone and then try to find a way of escape. O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message). A person said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion if I am drawn to a rank in spite of myself, or in one of the groups and made to march and a man strikes with his sword or there comes an arrow and kills me? Thereupon he said: He will bear the punishment of his sin and that of yours and he would be one amongst the denizens of Hell.
Sahih Muslim#7250
Status: صحیح
___________________________________________
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying:
There will be soon a period of turmoil in which the one who sits will be better than one who stands and the one who stands will be better than one who walks and the one who walks will be better than one who runs. He who would watch them will be drawn by them. So he who finds a refuge or shelter against it should make it as his resort.
Sahih Muslim#7247
Status: صحیح
______________________________________________
Abdullah b. 'Amr reported that a person came to him and said:
What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour would come at such and such time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or the words to the same effect). I have decided that I would not narrate anything to anyone now. I had only said that you would see after some time an important event that the (sacred) House (Ka'ba) would be burnt and it would happen and definitely happen. He then reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: The Dajjal would appear in my Ummah and he would stay (in the world) for forty - I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. And Allah would then send Jesus son of Mary who would resemble 'Urwa b Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) would chase him and kill him. Then people would live for seven years that there would be no rancour between two persons. Then Allah would send cold wind from the side of Syria that none would survive upon the earth having a speck of good in him or faith in him but he would die, so much so that even if some amongst you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and that would cause his death. I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then Satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet would be blown and no one would hear that but he would bend his neck to one side and raise it from the other side and the first one to hear that trumpet would be the person who would be busy in setting right the tank meant for providing water to the camels. He would swoon and the other people would also swoon, then Allah would send or He would cause to send rain which would be like dew and there would grow out of it the bodies of the people. Then the second trumpet would be blown and they would stand up and begin to look (around). Then it would be said: O people, go to your Lord, and make them stand there. And they would be questioned. Then it would be said: Bring out a group (out of them) for the Hell-Fire. And then it would be asked: How much? It would be said: Nine hundred and ninty-nine out of one thousand for the Hell-Fire and that would be the day which would make the children old because of its terror and that would be the day about which it has been said: On the day when the shank would be uncovered (lxviii. 42).
Sahih Muslim#7381
Status: صحیح
____________________________________________
An-Nawwas b. Sam`an reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant (and we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said:
What is the matter with you? We said: Allah's Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees. Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: I harbor fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to `Abd-ul-`Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah's Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah's Messenger, would one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah's Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their pasturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth. He would then walk through the waste land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would be at this very time that Allah would send Jesus, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odor of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur. And then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels' hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them.
Sahih Muslim#7373
Status: صحیح
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Post by Ariel on Jul 24, 2020 17:48:00 GMT
Hi Ariel; ok.Please see below FEW sayings about END TIMES mentioned in Islamic scriptures, I am putting them as is without any changes for your review. --------------------------- A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers. Sahih Muslim#7299 Status: صحیح ___________________________________________ Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: The Last Hour would not come until fire emits from the earth of Hijaz which would illuminate the necks of the camels of the Busra. Sahih Muslim#7289 Status: صحیح _______________________________________________ Hudhaifa b. Usaid al-Ghifari reported: Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) came to us all of a sudden as we were (busy in a discussion). He said: What do you discuss about? They (the Companions) said. We are discussing about the Last Hour. Thereupon he said: It will not come until you see ten signs before and (in this connection) he made a mention of the smoke, Dajjal, the beast, the rising of the sun from the west, the descent of Jesus son of Mary (Allah be pleased with him), the Gog and Magog, and land-slides in three places, one in the east, one in the west and one in Arabia at the end of which fire would burn forth from the Yemen, and would drive people to the place of their assembly. Sahih Muslim#7285 Status: صحیح __________________________________________ Abu Bakra reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: There would soon be turmoil. Behold! there would be turmoil in which the one who would be seated would be better than one who would stand and the one who would stand would be better than one who would run. Behold! when the turmoil comes or it appears, the one who has camel should stick to his camel and he who has sheep or goat should stick to his sheep and goat and he who has land should stick to the land. A person said: 'Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion about one who has neither camel nor sheep nor land? Thereupon, he said: He should take hold of his sword and beat its edge with the help of stone and then try to find a way of escape. O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message) ; O Allah, I have conveyed (Thy Message). A person said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion if I am drawn to a rank in spite of myself, or in one of the groups and made to march and a man strikes with his sword or there comes an arrow and kills me? Thereupon he said: He will bear the punishment of his sin and that of yours and he would be one amongst the denizens of Hell. Sahih Muslim#7250 Status: صحیح ___________________________________________ Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: There will be soon a period of turmoil in which the one who sits will be better than one who stands and the one who stands will be better than one who walks and the one who walks will be better than one who runs. He who would watch them will be drawn by them. So he who finds a refuge or shelter against it should make it as his resort. Sahih Muslim#7247 Status: صحیح ______________________________________________ Abdullah b. 'Amr reported that a person came to him and said: What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour would come at such and such time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or the words to the same effect). I have decided that I would not narrate anything to anyone now. I had only said that you would see after some time an important event that the (sacred) House (Ka'ba) would be burnt and it would happen and definitely happen. He then reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: The Dajjal would appear in my Ummah and he would stay (in the world) for forty - I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. And Allah would then send Jesus son of Mary who would resemble 'Urwa b Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) would chase him and kill him. Then people would live for seven years that there would be no rancour between two persons. Then Allah would send cold wind from the side of Syria that none would survive upon the earth having a speck of good in him or faith in him but he would die, so much so that even if some amongst you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and that would cause his death. I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then Satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet would be blown and no one would hear that but he would bend his neck to one side and raise it from the other side and the first one to hear that trumpet would be the person who would be busy in setting right the tank meant for providing water to the camels. He would swoon and the other people would also swoon, then Allah would send or He would cause to send rain which would be like dew and there would grow out of it the bodies of the people. Then the second trumpet would be blown and they would stand up and begin to look (around). Then it would be said: O people, go to your Lord, and make them stand there. And they would be questioned. Then it would be said: Bring out a group (out of them) for the Hell-Fire. And then it would be asked: How much? It would be said: Nine hundred and ninty-nine out of one thousand for the Hell-Fire and that would be the day which would make the children old because of its terror and that would be the day about which it has been said: On the day when the shank would be uncovered (lxviii. 42). Sahih Muslim#7381 Status: صحیح ____________________________________________ An-Nawwas b. Sam`an reported that Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant (and we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah's Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees. Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: I harbor fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to `Abd-ul-`Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah's Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah's Messenger, would one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah's Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their pasturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be left with them in the form of wealth. He would then walk through the waste land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would be at this very time that Allah would send Jesus, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odor of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur. And then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinars and Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah's Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will. Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels' hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them. Sahih Muslim#7373 Status: صحیح This is awesome! Thank you for posting all this! I'm going to take some time to read through this, but I am wondering if a discussion can begin of this information? I'm going to start a new thread for this topic. It will be here - wespenreproductions.boards.net/thread/1154/islamic-scripturesI'll post my questions in that thread from now on. 
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Post by Ariel on Jul 24, 2020 18:07:40 GMT
I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like.
Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.
^ This sounds very similar to some Christian church's interpretation of a "Rapture" event. I grew up in the Episcopalian church, so a rapture type of event wasn't something that I remember ever being mentioned in sermons or study. Until I read the book Left Behind by Tim LaHaye, I really didn't know much about other people's belief in such an event. Does Islam teach of a rapture? Is this what is being described in this passage?
Interesting that those who are left behind are the ones with no goodness in them. (am I interpreting that correctly?) That corresponds to some New-Agey types of narratives which have the "righteous" or "ascended" being taken/transplanted to a new type of construct while those who have not will be left to suffer the enormous paradigm shift that will take place (which eventually leads to a Singularity <- my interpretation)
That they would "revert to the religion of their forefathers" has piqued my curiousity. From an Islamic perspective, what does this mean? Is this in reference to the previous mention of al-Lat and al-‘Uzzá?
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Post by sahib on Jul 24, 2020 22:22:15 GMT
I don't really know where to put this post anymore. This thread is about Islamic Scriptures, but the subject I want to address here also fits with Ariel's previous post. Anyway, if it belongs somewhere else I can understand that.
I’d like to go some deeper into the subject of the separation of souls in the days we call the Endtimes. I will start with a biblical text from Luke 17: 20-37. I’m aware this is just a starter in the discussion of how to interpret the knowledge that comes from the GT and other ancient texts.
Here Yeshua is talking to some philosophers and those who are in the know. They wanted to know when and how the appearance of the Kingdom will happen and how it would look like. The coming of the Kingdom could also imply the coming of Christ.
His answer was in short, you won’t see anything because it’s happening within a human being, it’s a spiritual event. Verse 20 - 30 encourages the reader to prepare, by having knowledge of this event, knowledge in the form of Gnosis because after Gnosis nothing will be the same as before.
Yeshua left us some clues, if it starts happening just ‘go with the flow’ and don’t make preparations but just let it happen. He even tells it very visually, by giving a few practical examples. This shows that it will all happen quickly and that one has to be prepared in advance.
On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey.
This is how I read and understand the verses below taken from Luke 17: 20-17. (NKJV)
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The Coming of the Kingdom 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, [f]‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is [g]within you.”
22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two [j]men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
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This piece of text resembles the 'Rapture' as many Christians expect to happen spoken by Yeshua/Christ. In other biblical texts there are even more references to a similar event, but these are all letters from the Apostle Paul to various congregations, i.e. opinions and interpretations of the Apostle.
In a next article I will try to compile some texts about the 'Consummation of Age' spoken by Yesha/Christ in the biblical gospels. Afterwards I will also compare it with texts from the Nag Hammadi Codex and other Gnostic Scriptures.
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Post by sahib on Jul 24, 2020 22:55:30 GMT
I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.^ This sounds very similar to some Christian church's interpretation of a "Rapture" event. I grew up in the Episcopalian church, so a rapture type of event wasn't something that I remember ever being mentioned in sermons or study. Until I read the book Left Behind by Tim LaHaye, I really didn't know much about other people's belief in such an event. Does Islam teach of a rapture? Is this what is being described in this passage? Interesting that those who are left behind are the ones with no goodness in them. (am I interpreting that correctly?) That corresponds to some New-Agey types of narratives which have the "righteous" or "ascended" being taken/transplanted to a new type of construct while those who have not will be left to suffer the enormous paradigm shift that will take place (which eventually leads to a Singularity <- my interpretation) That they would "revert to the religion of their forefathers" has piqued my curiousity. From an Islamic perspective, what does this mean? Is this in reference to the previous mention of al-Lat and al-‘Uzzá? Ariel, as far as I interpret "returning to the religion of their forefathers", that would mean they will return to the religion of Abram/Ibrahim, the patriarch of the Israelites and Arabs. Abram had a son with Hagar, the maid/slave of his wife Saraï and with Hagar he had his first son called Ismaël, the ancestor of the Ishmaelites, who eventually became the Arabs. His second son, a step-brother to Ishmael, called Isaac, the ancestor of the Israelites. Abram is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Abraham himself worshipped Jahweh, but before he did, he and his father worshiped idols. (Joshua 24:2). Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees, which was an ancient city that flourished until about 300 BC. The great ziggurat of Ur was built by Ur-Nammu around 2100 BC and was dedicated to Nanna, the moon god. So, with the text "returning to the religion of their forefathers" one could say to the Jahweh religion or to the religion of Nanna, the moon god. The Jahweh religion is basically the Hebrew religion. And we know who Jahweh is, don't we? And maybe Wes knows who the moon god Nanna actually is.
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 24, 2020 23:02:38 GMT
I don't really know where to put this post anymore. This thread is about Islamic Scriptures, but the subject I want to address here also fits with Ariel's previous post. Anyway, if it belongs somewhere else I can understand that. I’d like to go some deeper into the subject of the separation of souls in the days we call the Endtimes. I will start with a biblical text from Luke 17: 20-37. I’m aware this is just a starter in the discussion of how to interpret the knowledge that comes from the GT and other ancient texts. Here Yeshua is talking to some philosophers and those who are in the know. They wanted to know when and how the appearance of the Kingdom will happen and how it would look like. The coming of the Kingdom could also imply the coming of Christ. His answer was in short, you won’t see anything because it’s happening within a human being, it’s a spiritual event. Verse 20 - 30 encourages the reader to prepare, by having knowledge of this event, knowledge in the form of Gnosis because after Gnosis nothing will be the same as before. Yeshua left us some clues, if it starts happening just ‘go with the flow’ and don’t make preparations but just let it happen. He even tells it very visually, by giving a few practical examples. This shows that it will all happen quickly and that one has to be prepared in advance. On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey. This is how I read and understand the verses below taken from Luke 17: 20-17. (NKJV) - - - The Coming of the Kingdom20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, [f]‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is [g]within you.” 22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two [j]men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” - - - This piece of text resembles the 'Rapture' as many Christians expect to happen spoken by Yeshua/Christ. In other biblical texts there are even more references to a similar event, but these are all letters from the Apostle Paul to various congregations, i.e. opinions and interpretations of the Apostle. In a next article I will try to compile some texts about the 'Consummation of Age' spoken by Yesha/Christ in the biblical gospels. Afterwards I will also compare it with texts from the Nag Hammadi Codex and other Gnostic Scriptures. "On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey."I wonder if this implies that there are those who will "ascend" and there are those who will not, and those who will not will literally be 'left behind' and succumb? And are the vultures the archontic forces, attached to the bodies, more or less running the bodies of those who are not awake, just like things are now? This seems to indicate that there will be no second chance for those who have not woken up. Is that how you interpret it?
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 24, 2020 23:09:33 GMT
I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.^ This sounds very similar to some Christian church's interpretation of a "Rapture" event. I grew up in the Episcopalian church, so a rapture type of event wasn't something that I remember ever being mentioned in sermons or study. Until I read the book Left Behind by Tim LaHaye, I really didn't know much about other people's belief in such an event. Does Islam teach of a rapture? Is this what is being described in this passage? Interesting that those who are left behind are the ones with no goodness in them. (am I interpreting that correctly?) That corresponds to some New-Agey types of narratives which have the "righteous" or "ascended" being taken/transplanted to a new type of construct while those who have not will be left to suffer the enormous paradigm shift that will take place (which eventually leads to a Singularity <- my interpretation) That they would "revert to the religion of their forefathers" has piqued my curiousity. From an Islamic perspective, what does this mean? Is this in reference to the previous mention of al-Lat and al-‘Uzzá? Ariel, as far as I interpret "returning to the religion of their forefathers", that would mean they will return to the religion of Abram/Ibrahim, the patriarch of the Israelites and Arabs. Abram had a son with Hagar, the maid/slave of his wife Saraï and with Hagar he had his first son called Ismaël, the ancestor of the Ishmaelites, who eventually became the Arabs. His second son, a step-brother to Ishmael, called Isaac, the ancestor of the Israelites. Abram is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Abraham himself worshipped Jahweh, but before he did, he and his father worshiped idols. (Joshua 24:2). Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees, which was an ancient city that flourished until about 300 BC. The great ziggurat of Ur was built by Ur-Nammu around 2100 BC and was dedicated to Nanna, the moon god. So, with the text "returning to the religion of their forefathers" one could say to the Jahweh religion or to the religion of Nanna, the moon god. The Jahweh religion is basically the Hebrew religion. And we know who Jahweh is, don't we? And maybe Wes knows who the moon god Nanna actually is. Nanna/Nannar is En.ki/Yaldabaoth.
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Post by sahib on Jul 24, 2020 23:33:07 GMT
I don't really know where to put this post anymore. This thread is about Islamic Scriptures, but the subject I want to address here also fits with Ariel's previous post. Anyway, if it belongs somewhere else I can understand that. I’d like to go some deeper into the subject of the separation of souls in the days we call the Endtimes. I will start with a biblical text from Luke 17: 20-37. I’m aware this is just a starter in the discussion of how to interpret the knowledge that comes from the GT and other ancient texts. Here Yeshua is talking to some philosophers and those who are in the know. They wanted to know when and how the appearance of the Kingdom will happen and how it would look like. The coming of the Kingdom could also imply the coming of Christ. His answer was in short, you won’t see anything because it’s happening within a human being, it’s a spiritual event. Verse 20 - 30 encourages the reader to prepare, by having knowledge of this event, knowledge in the form of Gnosis because after Gnosis nothing will be the same as before. Yeshua left us some clues, if it starts happening just ‘go with the flow’ and don’t make preparations but just let it happen. He even tells it very visually, by giving a few practical examples. This shows that it will all happen quickly and that one has to be prepared in advance. On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey. This is how I read and understand the verses below taken from Luke 17: 20-17. (NKJV) - - - The Coming of the Kingdom20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, [f]‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is [g]within you.” 22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two [j]men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” - - - This piece of text resembles the 'Rapture' as many Christians expect to happen spoken by Yeshua/Christ. In other biblical texts there are even more references to a similar event, but these are all letters from the Apostle Paul to various congregations, i.e. opinions and interpretations of the Apostle. In a next article I will try to compile some texts about the 'Consummation of Age' spoken by Yesha/Christ in the biblical gospels. Afterwards I will also compare it with texts from the Nag Hammadi Codex and other Gnostic Scriptures. "On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey."I wonder if this implies that there are those who will "ascend" and there are those who will not, and those who will not will literally be 'left behind' and succumb? And are the vultures the archontic forces, attached to the bodies, more or less running the bodies of those who are not awake, just like things are now? This seems to indicate that there will be no second chance for those who have not woken up. Is that how you interpret it? No, no, that's not how I interpret this text. This text only talks about some sort of 'Rapture', it doesn't say anything about the 'Consummation of the Age', that's a complete other event, in my opinion. That's why I wrote to compile some texts about this other event in a next article. Reading this text in Luke 17, there's talk of a spiritual event within a human being, with the result that anyone who's not prepared or doesn't expect this to happen will stay behind together with the vultures aka archons. The 'Rapture' as I interpret it, is some kind of luxury for the chosen (Gnosis), so to speak. It doesn't mean the end of all things. Yeshua also spoke about a 'Tribulation' in some other texts, a biblical passage found in the Gospels in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21. It is also known as the 'Little Apocalypse' because it uses a lot of apocalyptic language. This period is divided in two different parts, 2 x 3,5 years. There will be a second chance for every soul alive, albeit under different, more difficult circumstances. I'll discuss this in a next article, because it's too extensive to discuss it briefly now. Otherwise there will soon be some ambiguities that will lead us further astray from what it's really about. By the way, are you familiar with 'The Smoky God'? It's a short booklet, readable in an hour and it will give us some more ideas how to interpret these events we are discussing. While reading it, keep in mind the video of Robert Sepher you posted the other day. If you want, I could send you a copy of that booklet.
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 24, 2020 23:36:15 GMT
"On the question "where those will be who are left behind" Yeshua tells us that with the bodies of those who will be left behind will also be the vultures, which could mean that the people who will be left behind will be like prey."I wonder if this implies that there are those who will "ascend" and there are those who will not, and those who will not will literally be 'left behind' and succumb? And are the vultures the archontic forces, attached to the bodies, more or less running the bodies of those who are not awake, just like things are now? This seems to indicate that there will be no second chance for those who have not woken up. Is that how you interpret it? No, no, that's not how I interpret this text. This text only talks about some sort of 'Rapture', it doesn't say anything about the 'Consummation of the Age', that's a complete other event, in my opinion. That's why I wrote to compile some texts about this other event in a next article. Reading this text in Luke 17, there's talk of a spiritual event within a human being, with the result that anyone who's not prepared or doesn't expect this to happen will stay behind together with the vultures aka archons. The 'Rapture' as I interpret it, is some kind of luxury for the chosen (Gnosis), so to speak. It doesn't mean the end of all things. Yeshua also spoke about a 'Tribulation' in some other texts, a biblical passage found in the Gospels in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21. It is also known as the 'Little Apocalypse' because it uses a lot of apocalyptic language. This period is divided in two different parts, 2 x 3,5 years. There will be a second chance for every soul alive, albeit under different, more difficult circumstances. I'll discuss this in a next article, because it's too extensive to discuss it briefly now. Otherwise there will soon be some ambiguities that will lead us further astray from what it's really about. By the way, are you familiar with 'The Smoky God'? It's a short booklet, readable in an hour and it will give us some more ideas how to interpret these events we are discussing. While reading it, keep in mind the video of Robert Sepher you posted the other day. If you want, I could send you a copy of that booklet. Ah...well, I look forward to your next, sahib. And yes, please send the booklet, if you don't mind
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Post by Noor on Jul 25, 2020 5:49:21 GMT
ARIEL POSTS COPIES FROM NEW THREAD "ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES"[/u][/b] I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers. ^ This sounds very similar to some Christian church's interpretation of a "Rapture" event. I grew up in the Episcopalian church, so a rapture type of event wasn't something that I remember ever being mentioned in sermons or study. Until I read the book Left Behind by Tim LaHaye, I really didn't know much about other people's belief in such an event. Does Islam teach of a rapture? Is this what is being described in this passage? Interesting that those who are left behind are the ones with no goodness in them. (am I interpreting that correctly?) That corresponds to some New-Agey types of narratives which have the "righteous" or "ascended" being taken/transplanted to a new type of construct while those who have not will be left to suffer the enormous paradigm shift that will take place (which eventually leads to a Singularity <- my interpretation) That they would "revert to the religion of their forefathers" has piqued my curiousity. From an Islamic perspective, what does this mean? Is this in reference to the previous mention of al-Lat and al-‘Uzzá? REPLYIt looks like I am unable to post reply there so I am posting here:  "revert to the religion of their forefathers" yes it is reference to the previous mention of al-lat & Uzza. ------------------------------ Abram is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam.....AND it looks like the common pattern here, as soon as the real messenger / teacher departed from this construct Or even during his life ....archontic forces started distorting true teachings with false ones. In the case of Islam, at least three False Prophets were active during the life of Real Prophet namely 1. Musailma 2. Saja al Kahenah 3. Tulayha bin Khwailid. According to some researches, there were false apostles with Prophet and as soon as He departed , they hijacked the message and changed it to the one what we see today as Religion of Islam. True followers were tracked and hunted down. Real Holy scripture was destroyed and as there were even some people left who had learnt it by heart so they mixed it up with Hermetic teachings. In Islamic scriptures , actually there are two sources . 1.Quran & 2. Saying & doings of the Prophet ( recorded by his companions ) both these sources were destroyed, mixed up and rewritten with the Archontic Perspectives. but we can find nuggets of wisdom here and there. Here is an example from Quran: there is small couplet at the last of Quran and it says --------------- Say, He is Allah, The One! The eternally Besought of All! He begetteth not nor was begotten And there is none comparable unto Him. Surat Ikhlaas #112 --------------- compares to Monad.......
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Post by sahib on Jul 25, 2020 10:27:30 GMT
Ariel, as far as I interpret "returning to the religion of their forefathers", that would mean they will return to the religion of Abram/Ibrahim, the patriarch of the Israelites and Arabs. Abram had a son with Hagar, the maid/slave of his wife Saraï and with Hagar he had his first son called Ismaël, the ancestor of the Ishmaelites, who eventually became the Arabs. His second son, a step-brother to Ishmael, called Isaac, the ancestor of the Israelites. Abram is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Abraham himself worshipped Jahweh, but before he did, he and his father worshiped idols. (Joshua 24:2). Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees, which was an ancient city that flourished until about 300 BC. The great ziggurat of Ur was built by Ur-Nammu around 2100 BC and was dedicated to Nanna, the moon god. So, with the text "returning to the religion of their forefathers" one could say to the Jahweh religion or to the religion of Nanna, the moon god. The Jahweh religion is basically the Hebrew religion. And we know who Jahweh is, don't we? And maybe Wes knows who the moon god Nanna actually is. Nanna/Nannar is En.ki/Yaldabaoth. Thanks Wes, I suspected it already but couldn't find some kind of confirmation. It's all the same 'gang' at work through the ages, using different names. If you link that to the Islamic prophecy that those who will be left behind will return to the "religion of their forefathers", it tells us that Yald/En.Ki will become more prominent in the end times. Taking into account that the entire Christian religion of the West also includes Yahweh as the central deity. But now a more 'harsh' form of religion than Western Christianity, just like in antiquity. Conclusion: Islam and Christianity run practically parallel when it comes to the 'end of times'.
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Post by sahib on Jul 25, 2020 10:53:43 GMT
I heard Allah's Messenger ( صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it) (ix. 33), it implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.^ This sounds very similar to some Christian church's interpretation of a "Rapture" event. I grew up in the Episcopalian church, so a rapture type of event wasn't something that I remember ever being mentioned in sermons or study. Until I read the book Left Behind by Tim LaHaye, I really didn't know much about other people's belief in such an event. Does Islam teach of a rapture? Is this what is being described in this passage? Interesting that those who are left behind are the ones with no goodness in them. (am I interpreting that correctly?) That corresponds to some New-Agey types of narratives which have the "righteous" or "ascended" being taken/transplanted to a new type of construct while those who have not will be left to suffer the enormous paradigm shift that will take place (which eventually leads to a Singularity <- my interpretation) That they would "revert to the religion of their forefathers" has piqued my curiousity. From an Islamic perspective, what does this mean? Is this in reference to the previous mention of al-Lat and al-‘Uzzá? For non-Muslim forum members it would be clearer if we also know who Al-Lat and Al-Uzzá were/are. That's why I'm posting this comment. Pre Islamic Goddesses Al-Lat, Al-UzzaIn the Qur’an, Al-Lat is mentioned along with al-‘Uzzá in Sura 53:19–23. Al-lāt is also explicitly attested from early Islamic records discussing the pre-Islamic period. According to the Book of Idols (Kitāb al-ʾAṣnām) by Hishām ibn al-Kalbi, the pre-Islamic Arabs believed Al-lāt resided in the Kaʿbah and also had an idol inside the sanctuary. Al-‘Uzzá was also worshipped by the Nabataeans, who equated her with the Greek goddess Aphrodite Ourania (Roman Venus Caelestis). A stone cube at aṭ-Ṭā’if (near Mecca) was held sacred as part of her cult. She is mentioned in the Qur’an Sura 53:19 as being one of the goddesses that people worshiped.
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 25, 2020 14:23:55 GMT
I am moving this thread to the Guest section. It should be public...
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