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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 16, 2020 20:04:41 GMT
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Post by vitalinfo on Jul 17, 2020 10:01:49 GMT
By reading this article I again realized how important it is to work on ourselves every passing day. Observing our reactions to all outside stimuli and consciously changing our behavior when we recognize it doesn’t aline with spirit. There is so much at stake here. By knowing what we now know we have a incredible opportunity to have spirit shine through all the misery that surrounds us. Although we are few in number we can make a hell of a difference in this world. But it takes some doing and that is probably an understatement. |
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Post by beyond3d on Jul 17, 2020 10:41:25 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me...  Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
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Post by sahib on Jul 17, 2020 13:56:34 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me... Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
Hi beyond3d, what a great post, what great questions. Thank you for these, you certainly help me ponder some more, going deeper into knowledge that I thought was already crystal clear to me. But now, thanks to your profound questions, my inner being desires me to delve deeper into it. The question of you attracting my most attention is: "...who am I really?", ".... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left?" Well, this is how I see it. Essentially we are a soul with a body, both created by the archons, and in order to become 'alive' we also have a Divine Spark of Sophia. The archons are not all the same, each one has a specific 'talent'. In the construction of the soul, the archons have therefore made use of their different 'talents'. These 'talents' are the 'archontic behaviors’ as you've called them in your post and which we are stuck with and burdened by in our lives on Earth. The intention is to get rid of this 'archontic contamination', or at least not to let them dominate us anymore during our life on Earth. In the GT you can also read that originally, after death, a soul ascends again through the spheres back to Source. However, every sphere the soul wants to pass through has a 'guardian'/archon that asks for a 'password' before the soul gets permission to travel on to the next sphere. If you don't know the 'password' then you have to go to the BLA to be born again to get a 'new chance'. This 'password' is nothing more than to overcome that 'specific talent' that was once added to the soul when it was created. It is consequently not a word, but a sign that you are 'freed' from the contamination of the talent of the specific archon of that sphere. And there are 7 spheres, so there are 7 passwords needed! This overcoming of the talent is nothing else than the 'transformation' of the soul with the 'divine spark' through which the soul has become an 'independent divine being'. We call this on our forum, Gnosis has reached. And that is a "pure" soul. In short, you would have to overcome all contaminations in your life in order to be able to return to where you came from. On its own the soul certainly would not succeed, and the archons knew that too. However, they didn't count on Christ, who came into this 'underworld' and left behind sacred knowledge through which the soul might cleanse itself from the archontic 'talents' aka passwords. This knowledge, in its original form, can be found in the Gnostic Texts and also, but somewhat distorted in the Christian Scriptures. Both have the potential to create Gnosis. Be aware though, what I’ve written above is the 'original' route back to Source as described in the GT. With the passage of time an 'alternative route' has appeared, and that's what we’re investigating so intensely on our forum. This is pretty much what I consider the answer to your question, which I also ask myself: Who am I really? |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 17, 2020 18:45:22 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me... Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
Hi beyond3d, what a great post, what great questions. Thank you for these, you certainly help me ponder some more, going deeper into knowledge that I thought was already crystal clear to me. But now, thanks to your profound questions, my inner being desires me to delve deeper into it. The question of you attracting my most attention is: "...who am I really?", ".... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left?" Well, this is how I see it. Essentially we are a soul with a body, both created by the archons, and in order to become 'alive' we also have a Divine Spark of Sophia. The archons are not all the same, each one has a specific 'talent'. In the construction of the soul, the archons have therefore made use of their different 'talents'. These 'talents' are the 'archontic behaviors’ as you've called them in your post and which we are stuck with and burdened by in our lives on Earth. The intention is to get rid of this 'archontic contamination', or at least not to let them dominate us anymore during our life on Earth. In the GT you can also read that originally, after death, a soul ascends again through the spheres back to Source. However, every sphere the soul wants to pass through has a 'guardian'/archon that asks for a 'password' before the soul gets permission to travel on to the next sphere. If you don't know the 'password' then you have to go to the BLA to be born again to get a 'new chance'. This 'password' is nothing more than to overcome that 'specific talent' that was once added to the soul when it was created. It is consequently not a word, but a sign that you are 'freed' from the contamination of the talent of the specific archon of that sphere. And there are 7 spheres, so there are 7 passwords needed! This overcoming of the talent is nothing else than the 'transformation' of the soul with the 'divine spark' through which the soul has become an 'independent divine being'. We call this on our forum, Gnosis has reached. And that is a "pure" soul. In short, you would have to overcome all contaminations in your life in order to be able to return to where you came from. On its own the soul certainly would not succeed, and the archons knew that too. However, they didn't count on Christ, who came into this 'underworld' and left behind sacred knowledge through which the soul might cleanse itself from the archontic 'talents' aka passwords. This knowledge, in its original form, can be found in the Gnostic Texts and also, but somewhat distorted in the Christian Scriptures. Both have the potential to create Gnosis. Be aware though, what I’ve written above is the 'original' route back to Source as described in the GT. With the passage of time an 'alternative route' has appeared, and that's what we’re investigating so intensely on our forum. This is pretty much what I consider the answer to your question, which I also ask myself: Who am I really? It's interesting, as well, that we are supposed to have seven soul 'overlays,' i.e. light-bodies. In the WPP, I was presented with a "shortcut," so we don't need to go through all these seven heavens, i.e. Yaldabaoth's ascension process, but otherwise, is there one soul attachment for one heaven, I wonder...It's just interesting that seven light-bodies are often mentioned. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 17, 2020 19:12:34 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me... Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
Wow! This is what I call "deep thinking!" Very important and interesting topic! Thank you! This is how I personally see it: if you look at the characteristics of the archons you listed from the Book of John, we all have these characteristics within us (archontic characteristics). However, there are also characteristics that are NOT listed. The most important, IMO, are love, compassion, empathy, and creative abilities (there are probably more). If we were to get rid of all the archontic characteristics, the ones I mentioned will remain because we all have those, too, even if they are well buried in many people because of trauma and veils of reactivity. So, I think it's important to develop those aspects of ourselves that I mentioned. Also, when we manage to do that, it clearly diminishes the archontic aspects we all have--it overrides them and we feel good. In the list, there is also desire and pleasure. Does that mean we shouldn't have any desires and pleasure in life? Not as I see it. It's a matter of being in control over our wishes, dreams, desires, and pleasures. A person can have a desire to beat people up, and they feel pleasure when they do that--typically archontic. However, you can also have a desire to connect with like-minded and feel pleasure when you are together with someone whom you love and feel connected to. Those are not, IMO, archontic emotions. With all this in mind, it's much easier, from my perspective, to distinguish between the core soul sparked with Spirit and the part of the soul that has archontic influences. The artificial spirit is located in the physical body--in the genetics. The soul then adjusts to these "thoughts" and influence of the archontic forces and take them on. Thus, beliefs, fear, jealousy, etc. etc. The soul carries all that with her to the afterlife, unless we manage to distinguish and work on overcoming our archontic urges, i.e. what we call the "subconscious mind" or "reactive mind." This is how I distinguish it, but it's very interesting to hear how other people see it, which can be completely different from me. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 17, 2020 19:46:21 GMT
By reading this article I again realized how important it is to work on ourselves every passing day. Observing our reactions to all outside stimuli and consciously changing our behavior when we recognize it doesn’t aline with spirit. There is so much at stake here. By knowing what we now know we have a incredible opportunity to have spirit shine through all the misery that surrounds us. Although we are few in number we can make a hell of a difference in this world. But it takes some doing and that is probably an understatement. I think the more we come to know ourselves through Spirit, the easier it will be to distinguish between the core spirit/soul and the artificial spirit (archontic attachments). Then, it's a matter of, when the archontic urges start surfacing, we take a step back instead of immediately reacting to them. We could ask ourselves, "Wait a minute, what I'm now planning to say or do is not to anybody's benefit--it is reactive." Then, we can transform the archontic urge to react into something more positive. Here is from Codex III (Nag Hammadi) "The Dialogue of the Savior" www.gnosis.org/naghamm/dialog.html |
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Post by sahib on Jul 17, 2020 20:26:36 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me... Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
Wow! This is what I call "deep thinking!" Very important and interesting topic! Thank you! This is how I personally see it: if you look at the characteristics of the archons you listed from the Book of John, we all have these characteristics within us (archontic characteristics). However, there are also characteristics that are NOT listed. The most important, IMO, are love, compassion, empathy, and creative abilities (there are probably more). If we were to get rid of all the archontic characteristics, the ones I mentioned will remain because we all have those, too, even if they are well buried in many people because of trauma and veils of reactivity. So, I think it's important to develop those aspects of ourselves that I mentioned. Also, when we manage to do that, it clearly diminishes the archontic aspects we all have--it overrides them and we feel good. In the list, there is also desire and pleasure. Does that mean we shouldn't have any desires and pleasure in life? Not as I see it. It's a matter of being in control over our wishes, dreams, desires, and pleasures. A person can have a desire to beat people up, and they feel pleasure when they do that--typically archontic. However, you can also have a desire to connect with like-minded and feel pleasure when you are together with someone whom you love and feel connected to. Those are not, IMO, archontic emotions. With all this in mind, it's much easier, from my perspective, to distinguish between the core soul sparked with Spirit and the part of the soul that has archontic influences. The artificial spirit is located in the physical body--in the genetics. The soul then adjusts to these "thoughts" and influence of the archontic forces and take them on. Thus, beliefs, fear, jealousy, etc. etc. The soul carries all that with her to the afterlife, unless we manage to distinguish and work on overcoming our archontic urges, i.e. what we call the "subconscious mind" or "reactive mind." This is how I distinguish it, but it's very interesting to hear how other people see it, which can be completely different from me. I'd like to add the following. The archontic characteristics may well be clear, every soul created by archons in the underworld suffers from this. As far as the non-listed characteristics are concerned, I think they belong to the Divine Spark that was given to us by Sophia. These characteristics are also present in everyone, but with some they have been more or less suppressed as a result of a strong domination of the archontic characteristics, or of traumas, or influenced by the various splinter souls that have been added after reincarnation. Therefore, there are souls who become psychopaths and narcissists and also souls called NPCs. And yes, when we master and control the archontic characteristics in our lives, the 'other' characteristics present in us from the Divine Spark will have more room to reveal themselves, especially when Gnosis has taken place. Desire and pleasure, however, seem very 'human' to me, especially as you have outlined in your example.Yes, Divine Spirit/Sophia also knows desire, but this desire concentrates mainly on her characteristic, Wisdom. And see what it has brought Her, darkness and ignorance. I can't understand the emotion of 'pleasure' or 'joy' from a divine perspective, because in my opinion to God 'everything is as it is' and pleasure is a very human quality. God doesn't know for or against, more or less, positive or negative, God is 'All That Is'. And that is hard for humans to grasp, I think. To me it still stands that the soul can 'consciously' upgrade itself by making a connection with the 'Divine Spark' present within it and thereby transforming itself into a 'divine being'. The 'tipping point' lies with Gnosis. The archontic qualities will not have left us, but will be very strongly suppressed by the power of the Light of Gnosis, from the connection such a soul has with the 'Supreme One'. (which is also the "only correct password” IMO) |
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Post by Naveen on Jul 18, 2020 5:26:19 GMT
Dear Wes Penre
I discovered the WPP in 2012 and the last eight years have been a period of immense spiritual growth. I am very grateful to you for your pathbreaking work. However I have a personal question. I am very interested in doing social work and in helping my fellow humans.I even want to join politics to serve.In your recent article you mentioned that we have to be rid of all attachments. I am only wondering if my passion for social work is an attachment. In several other places you said that we must follow our passions. This is the confusion I am presently in . I hope you will clear my confusion. I will be deeply grateful if you can answer this.
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Post by vitalinfo on Jul 18, 2020 9:17:49 GMT
Wow! This is what I call "deep thinking!" Very important and interesting topic! Thank you! This is how I personally see it: if you look at the characteristics of the archons you listed from the Book of John, we all have these characteristics within us (archontic characteristics). However, there are also characteristics that are NOT listed. The most important, IMO, are love, compassion, empathy, and creative abilities (there are probably more). If we were to get rid of all the archontic characteristics, the ones I mentioned will remain because we all have those, too, even if they are well buried in many people because of trauma and veils of reactivity. So, I think it's important to develop those aspects of ourselves that I mentioned. Also, when we manage to do that, it clearly diminishes the archontic aspects we all have--it overrides them and we feel good. In the list, there is also desire and pleasure. Does that mean we shouldn't have any desires and pleasure in life? Not as I see it. It's a matter of being in control over our wishes, dreams, desires, and pleasures. A person can have a desire to beat people up, and they feel pleasure when they do that--typically archontic. However, you can also have a desire to connect with like-minded and feel pleasure when you are together with someone whom you love and feel connected to. Those are not, IMO, archontic emotions. With all this in mind, it's much easier, from my perspective, to distinguish between the core soul sparked with Spirit and the part of the soul that has archontic influences. The artificial spirit is located in the physical body--in the genetics. The soul then adjusts to these "thoughts" and influence of the archontic forces and take them on. Thus, beliefs, fear, jealousy, etc. etc. The soul carries all that with her to the afterlife, unless we manage to distinguish and work on overcoming our archontic urges, i.e. what we call the "subconscious mind" or "reactive mind." This is how I distinguish it, but it's very interesting to hear how other people see it, which can be completely different from me. I'd like to add the following. The archontic characteristics may well be clear, every soul created by archons in the underworld suffers from this. As far as the non-listed characteristics are concerned, I think they belong to the Divine Spark that was given to us by Sophia. These characteristics are also present in everyone, but with some they have been more or less suppressed as a result of a strong domination of the archontic characteristics, or of traumas, or influenced by the various splinter souls that have been added after reincarnation. Therefore, there are souls who become psychopaths and narcissists and also souls called NPCs. And yes, when we master and control the archontic characteristics in our lives, the 'other' characteristics present in us from the Divine Spark will have more room to reveal themselves, especially when Gnosis has taken place. Desire and pleasure, however, seem very 'human' to me, especially as you have outlined in your example.Yes, Divine Spirit/Sophia also knows desire, but this desire concentrates mainly on her characteristic, Wisdom. And see what it has brought Her, darkness and ignorance. I can't understand the emotion of 'pleasure' or 'joy' from a divine perspective, because in my opinion to God 'everything is as it is' and pleasure is a very human quality. God doesn't know for or against, more or less, positive or negative, God is 'All That Is'. And that is hard for humans to grasp, I think. To me it still stands that the soul can 'consciously' upgrade itself by making a connection with the 'Divine Spark' present within it and thereby transforming itself into a 'divine being'. The 'tipping point' lies with Gnosis. The archontic qualities will not have left us, but will be very strongly suppressed by the power of the Light of Gnosis, from the connection such a soul has with the 'Supreme One'. (which is also the "only correct password” IMO) I tend to think that desire is an emotion that attracts you toward an outward stimuli. Pleasure seems to be a more static emotion, whereas rejection is an emotion that pushes you away from pleasure being the opposite of attraction. This is the wave of life. Attraction - static - rejection. It therefore, in my opinion, cannot only be attributed to archontic attachments. Life without these three elements I simply cannot imagine. However these three elements can be tempered with through ignorance and in such a way become archontic. What do you think? |
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Post by sahib on Jul 18, 2020 11:56:40 GMT
I'd like to add the following. The archontic characteristics may well be clear, every soul created by archons in the underworld suffers from this. As far as the non-listed characteristics are concerned, I think they belong to the Divine Spark that was given to us by Sophia. These characteristics are also present in everyone, but with some they have been more or less suppressed as a result of a strong domination of the archontic characteristics, or of traumas, or influenced by the various splinter souls that have been added after reincarnation. Therefore, there are souls who become psychopaths and narcissists and also souls called NPCs. And yes, when we master and control the archontic characteristics in our lives, the 'other' characteristics present in us from the Divine Spark will have more room to reveal themselves, especially when Gnosis has taken place. Desire and pleasure, however, seem very 'human' to me, especially as you have outlined in your example.Yes, Divine Spirit/Sophia also knows desire, but this desire concentrates mainly on her characteristic, Wisdom. And see what it has brought Her, darkness and ignorance. I can't understand the emotion of 'pleasure' or 'joy' from a divine perspective, because in my opinion to God 'everything is as it is' and pleasure is a very human quality. God doesn't know for or against, more or less, positive or negative, God is 'All That Is'. And that is hard for humans to grasp, I think. To me it still stands that the soul can 'consciously' upgrade itself by making a connection with the 'Divine Spark' present within it and thereby transforming itself into a 'divine being'. The 'tipping point' lies with Gnosis. The archontic qualities will not have left us, but will be very strongly suppressed by the power of the Light of Gnosis, from the connection such a soul has with the 'Supreme One'. (which is also the "only correct password” IMO) I tend to think that desire is an emotion that attracts you toward an outward stimuli. Pleasure seems to be a more static emotion, whereas rejection is an emotion that pushes you away from pleasure being the opposite of attraction. This is the wave of life. Attraction - static - rejection. It therefore, in my opinion, cannot only be attributed to archontic attachments. Life without these three elements I simply cannot imagine. However these three elements can be tempered with through ignorance and in such a way become archontic. What do you think? Very well thought out vitalinfo, very good line of thought. You ‘re absolutely right I think with your statement. But only from a human (underworld) perspective. Gnosis changes our perspective, we start seeing things more from a ‘Divine’ perspective. For example, the ‘wave of life’, which life do you mean? Earth-life or Eternal-life? Eternal-life in my opinion doesn’t exist. In the ‘world of light’, the Pleroma there’s no life, everything ‘just is’. Life is the opposite of death, life and death we experience here in the Patrix, in the underworld, above the underworld everything just IS, there is no death. So yeah, your statement “attraction – static – rejection” is valuable, but only in the Patrix. This is what I think of it. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 18, 2020 13:17:23 GMT
Dear Wes Penre I discovered the WPP in 2012 and the last eight years have been a period of immense spiritual growth. I am very grateful to you for your pathbreaking work. However I have a personal question. I am very interested in doing social work and in helping my fellow humans.I even want to join politics to serve.In your recent article you mentioned that we have to be rid of all attachments. I am only wondering if my passion for social work is an attachment. In several other places you said that we must follow our passions. This is the confusion I am presently in . I hope you will clear my confusion. I will be deeply grateful if you can answer this. Thanks for asking this question, Naveen! Right now, in this moment, we are still living within the Earth construct in human bodies and in a world that is very challenging to live in. Yes, I have said quite a few times that I think it's important to follow our passions, i.e. do something that really excites us. We have two main choices while still being here, as I see it; 1) we realize that everything here is based on ignorance, and what we call evil is prominent, so let's just give up and wait for the day we die so we can leave, or 2) we find within ourselves what it is that would really excite and elevate our mood while still being here. I know a few things I enjoy a lot, but for many years, doing what I'm doing right now (researching, sharing, and writing) has been my passion. So, that's what I do. Therefore, I think it's a great idea if as many people as possible can find something here they can do that would make their lives more joyful and exciting. And of course, working on ourselves with Spirit as a guide. Because the more we work on ourselves, the more we find joy in our lives and can make better decisions regarding what we really want to do and do it with enthusiasm. That's my view on it. |
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Post by Ariel on Jul 18, 2020 16:10:30 GMT
I really like this article, it resonates as almost always perfectly with me... Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
As I was going through the text I asked myself, which "behaviours" are all archontic, so you can differ more easily between the reactive psychic body/mind by the archons and... Thats the other question. Who are we really?
So I looked it up again in Johns Book, which I think lists it very well.
So we can conclude that these reactions in BOLD are the major archontic attachments we have here, from which we should avoid to act, as they got more or less attached to us when we experienced some kind of trauma, made up false beliefs, experienced life here in the underworld on the whole and so on..
But somewhere I have read, that even joy and fun could be an archontic attachment? As the Demiurge is the Alpha and the Omega. He is good and evil, beauty and ugly, day and night, happiness and sadness - he is duality. What do you think about that?
So I often ask myself, who am I really? How can I act without making use of ANY archontic attachment? As you already mentioned Wes, we cant get rid of it completely, while we are here, because alone whilst living here with a body, its impossible to get fully rid of them. But of course we can try and work on it in the best way possible.
And while I am doing that, I sometimes ask myself... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left? The personality? Well, the personality is very surely attached to the archontic "demons" as well as "our" personality is our fate, the fake destiny with our horoscope which is influenced by astrology (e.g. mercury retrograde) and so on.
So if its not the personality, which is "pure" - is it the Soul? The genuine soul? What is the genuine Soul, when it has no archontic attachment? As the soul belongs to the demiurge AS WELL... (we got that confirmed on another place in this forum) - I ask myself... Is there anything left of us whilst we are here, which is not influenced by Yald in any way? Yes there is something, it is spirit but as we already discussed - spirit has no real "characteristics" - its more or less a neutral observer.
As this is a very difficult question IMO, I make it easier for me as well. Thinking about the archontic attachments as listed above and trying to not react with them.
Like there is the AI psychic body by the Archons, the Genuine Soul (which is from Yald as well.. but okay.. we have to deal with it) and the Spirit. So the goal is to act less from the frist and more from the two last?
But still, sometimes, I ask myself.. Who am I really, when all the false layers disappear? The AI psychic body, the AI Spirit - even the soul..? And how can I consciously and by intention bring these traits into this world? Are there even any traits, which can be acted upon in this low density? Or is it something which is simply hidden, as long as we are attached to soul?
Hi beyond3d, what a great post, what great questions. Thank you for these, you certainly help me ponder some more, going deeper into knowledge that I thought was already crystal clear to me. But now, thanks to your profound questions, my inner being desires me to delve deeper into it. The question of you attracting my most attention is: "...who am I really?", ".... If I am not acting from my psychic body or AI Spirit... What is left?" Well, this is how I see it. Essentially we are a soul with a body, both created by the archons, and in order to become 'alive' we also have a Divine Spark of Sophia. The archons are not all the same, each one has a specific 'talent'. In the construction of the soul, the archons have therefore made use of their different 'talents'. These 'talents' are the 'archontic behaviors’ as you've called them in your post and which we are stuck with and burdened by in our lives on Earth. The intention is to get rid of this 'archontic contamination', or at least not to let them dominate us anymore during our life on Earth. In the GT you can also read that originally, after death, a soul ascends again through the spheres back to Source. However, every sphere the soul wants to pass through has a 'guardian'/archon that asks for a 'password' before the soul gets permission to travel on to the next sphere. If you don't know the 'password' then you have to go to the BLA to be born again to get a 'new chance'. This 'password' is nothing more than to overcome that 'specific talent' that was once added to the soul when it was created. It is consequently not a word, but a sign that you are 'freed' from the contamination of the talent of the specific archon of that sphere. And there are 7 spheres, so there are 7 passwords needed! This overcoming of the talent is nothing else than the 'transformation' of the soul with the 'divine spark' through which the soul has become an 'independent divine being'. We call this on our forum, Gnosis has reached. And that is a "pure" soul. In short, you would have to overcome all contaminations in your life in order to be able to return to where you came from. On its own the soul certainly would not succeed, and the archons knew that too. However, they didn't count on Christ, who came into this 'underworld' and left behind sacred knowledge through which the soul might cleanse itself from the archontic 'talents' aka passwords. This knowledge, in its original form, can be found in the Gnostic Texts and also, but somewhat distorted in the Christian Scriptures. Both have the potential to create Gnosis. Be aware though, what I’ve written above is the 'original' route back to Source as described in the GT. With the passage of time an 'alternative route' has appeared, and that's what we’re investigating so intensely on our forum. This is pretty much what I consider the answer to your question, which I also ask myself: Who am I really? I agree, sahib. Yes, this "old" way or original way was the design of En.ki's "ascension process". He was obligated to allow humans to evolve, spiritually, and so this was the system he designed to do that. It's an extremely complex and brilliant system, and it would work. I can see that from an objective and nonbiased perspective. This design is extraordinary and shows the supreme level of intelligence we are dealing with here. When we read about NDEs, we can actually see how some people experience these spheres and also the point at which they get stuck. It's fascinating to go back and read some of these, now that our understanding of this process is much more expanded. There's a trick embedded in it, though, and I thank you, sahib, for giving me clarity about this. I feel it's important for others to realize it, just in case... There *IS* no test. We get stopped at each sphere or "station" to answer the riddle from the troll under the bridge, so to speak, when the real answer is to the question that is never asked. That is, in my opinion, what we came here to do. When we figure out that answer, we have discovered the hidden test question. Christ tells us what to say in response to these questions, but as soon as we get caught up in answering the archontic questions, we are immediately sent back. By knowing who you are and to where you are returning, you have the "key" to pass through the spheres - ALL of them. You have to know it, though. If you don't, the archons will be more likely to stop your progression because you will eventually get stuck in your own doubt. |
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Post by vitalinfo on Jul 18, 2020 17:39:03 GMT
I tend to think that desire is an emotion that attracts you toward an outward stimuli. Pleasure seems to be a more static emotion, whereas rejection is an emotion that pushes you away from pleasure being the opposite of attraction. This is the wave of life. Attraction - static - rejection. It therefore, in my opinion, cannot only be attributed to archontic attachments. Life without these three elements I simply cannot imagine. However these three elements can be tempered with through ignorance and in such a way become archontic. What do you think? Very well thought out vitalinfo, very good line of thought. You ‘re absolutely right I think with your statement. But only from a human (underworld) perspective. Gnosis changes our perspective, we start seeing things more from a ‘Divine’ perspective. For example, the ‘wave of life’, which life do you mean? Earth-life or Eternal-life? Eternal-life in my opinion doesn’t exist. In the ‘world of light’, the Pleroma there’s no life, everything ‘just is’. Life is the opposite of death, life and death we experience here in the Patrix, in the underworld, above the underworld everything just IS, there is no death. So yeah, your statement “attraction – static – refection” is valuable, but only in the Patrix. This is what I think of it. I realize in the Pluroma (the spirit world) there are no wave forms as a wave (up and down motion) introduces change and change equals imperfection. It also introduces time. There is only timeless existence in the Pluroma. I agree with you on that. But how this timeless existence manifests we have no way of knowing. What we do know is that Yaldabaoth makes bad copies of what he observed in the waters above. Maybe there is motion in the Pleroma be it perfect motion. Maybe there is life in the Pluroma but not how we experience life. We only know imperfection and that makes it hard to imaging what absoluut perfection would look like and how that could manifest. There is another thing that was on my mind for the better part of this day. I still have some confusion on the spirited souls I like your way of looking at it. You stated in one of your posts that you differentiate between soul spirits and spirited souls, soul spirits being souls that have their light turned of so to speak and spirited souls having their light turned on. There was the question whether Y is still spirited or whether he blew his spirit into Adam and so lost it. This seems contradictory to the idea that no soul being can exist without spirit as the souled - body couldn't move without spirit. This would mean that Y would be gone if he lost the spirit connection. That doesn't make much sense. So he must be a soul spirit to use your terminology. What about the archons then, when they have no spirit how can they be alife? Am I overlooking something here? |
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Post by sahib on Jul 18, 2020 19:46:47 GMT
Very well thought out vitalinfo, very good line of thought. You ‘re absolutely right I think with your statement. But only from a human (underworld) perspective. Gnosis changes our perspective, we start seeing things more from a ‘Divine’ perspective. For example, the ‘wave of life’, which life do you mean? Earth-life or Eternal-life? Eternal-life in my opinion doesn’t exist. In the ‘world of light’, the Pleroma there’s no life, everything ‘just is’. Life is the opposite of death, life and death we experience here in the Patrix, in the underworld, above the underworld everything just IS, there is no death. So yeah, your statement “attraction – static – refection” is valuable, but only in the Patrix. This is what I think of it. I realize in the Pluroma (the spirit world) there are no wave forms as a wave (up and down motion) introduces change and change equals imperfection. It also introduces time. There is only timeless existence in the Pluroma. I agree with you on that. But how this timeless existence manifests we have no way of knowing. What we do know is that Yaldabaoth makes bad copies of what he observed in the waters above. Maybe there is motion in the Pleroma be it perfect motion. Maybe there is life in the Pluroma but not how we experience life. We only know imperfection and that makes it hard to imaging what absoluut perfection would look like and how that could manifest. There is another thing that was on my mind for the better part of this day. I still have some confusion on the spirited souls I like your way of looking at it. You stated in one of your posts that you differentiate between soul spirits and spirited souls, soul spirits being souls that have their light turned of so to speak and spirited souls having their light turned on. There was the question whether Y is still spirited or whether he blew his spirit into Adam and so lost it. This seems contradictory to the idea that no soul being can exist without spirit as the souled - body couldn't move without spirit. This would mean that Y would be gone if he lost the spirit connection. That doesn't make much sense. So he must be a soul spirit to use your terminology. What about the archons then, when they have no spirit how can they be alife? Am I overlooking something here? Soul differentiation: soul/body/spirit = an alive soul with a body (ethereal or material), an ignorant being soul/spirit/body = an alive soul aware of ‘there’s something more’ to life spirited-soul/body = an alive soul who finds Gnosis, inner connection with the Divine - - - Yald has been created by Sophia and he’s a soul from the VOID. To hide her failed creation she created the Kenoma and put Yald away (NHC - On the Origin of the World). We cannot compare ourselves, human beings, with Yald or his archons. Yald created his archons himself without the creative-life-giving Power/Spirit he got from his mother Sophia. If you read the GT you will read how the archons looked like, feminine beings with heads of animals. (NHC - The Hypostasis of the Archons) To avoid confusion, Yald and the archons are souls with a ‘life-spirit’ which is very different from a ‘creative-life-giving power/spirit’, which is simply called ‘spirit of Sophia’ in the translated text. A Power needed for creator gods to create life. Yald and his archons weren’t able to bring the being, created from THEIR ethereal matter, into a living being. Yald had to make use of Sophia’s ‘creative-life-giving Power/Spirit’ to do that, and this way Sophia got her ‘creative-life-giving Power’ back from Her failed creation Yald, and put it into the being the archons made, which Sophia gave the name ‘Adam’. She didn’t took away Yald’s ‘life-spirit’ for a reason. By the way, this Spirit of Sophia better be called a ‘Divine Spark’ when reading the text. It’s a very interesting story to read. But keep in mind to not project what is written into a human perspective because it won’t make sense that way. For example, there’s no time, there’s no matter, it’s all ethereal, there’s no man or woman. Here I will add something of my own, I believe the soul is holographic in nature, but that's a completely different discussion for another time. The Divine Spark, the ‘creative-life-giving Power of Sophia’ taken back from her son Yald is what is given to the first created being in the underworld. The spirit of Sophia that keeps Yald alive is something else, she cannot take that away because that would kill Yald, and God doesn’t ‘kill’, doesn’t know death, God is Love, God is Light. When you’ve followed some discussions on the forum, Yald will ‘kill’ himself at the end. The archons took the androgynous Adam apart and took his feminine part away of him, which looked like the archons themselves, Adam’s feminine spirit . Thereby Adam became just a soul again without a ‘life spirit’. The woman of spirit, on her turn, made Adam 'alive' again. Adam said: “It is you who have given me life.” I call you Eve. When you read the text further you’ll read that Sophia left the scene, leaving a shadow of herself behind and that became Eve. It’s a great story, worth to take a look at. (NHC - The Hypostasis of the Archons) |
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Thank you! I totally love the eye opener about the Singularity... Its somewhere, where light cannot escape! So profound!
