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Post by Wes Penre on May 28, 2020 15:40:59 GMT
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Post by vitalinfo on May 29, 2020 10:05:14 GMT
"Since that day, the heaven has been consolidated along with its earth by means of Sophia [Isis], the daughter of Yaldabaoth. --On the Origin of the World"
In the PP it says that Isis was the daughter of Ninurta and Ninurta castrated Enki because Enki abused Ninurtas daughter. Does the Genosis Texts change this story line in the PP?
"Thus, the Seven Heavens and the five below are the 4% Universe discussed in the WPP, and the Eighth and Ninth Heavens, the 96%, is what I called Orion."
Does that mean that outside of Orion in the Khaa we still have only a 4% perspective?
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Post by Wes Penre on May 29, 2020 14:20:16 GMT
"Since that day, the heaven has been consolidated along with its earth by means of Sophia [Isis], the daughter of Yaldabaoth. --On the Origin of the World" In the PP it says that Isis was the daughter of Ninurta and Ninurta castrated Enki because Enki abused Ninurtas daughter. Does the Genosis Texts change this story line in the PP? "Thus, the Seven Heavens and the five below are the 4% Universe discussed in the WPP, and the Eighth and Ninth Heavens, the 96%, is what I called Orion." Does that mean that outside of Orion in the Khaa we still have only a 4% perspective? We humans, out of habit and experience, tend to look at mother, son, daughter, father, etc. as being a physical thing, while elsewhere, it's a soul thing (and a Spirit thing ultimately in the Pleroma). In Yaldabaoth's universe there is a clear hierarchy, where those 'above' have more power than those below. This can be VERY confusing because it has nothing to do with human intercourse, fertilization, and babies being born. Different Gnostic texts disagree with the exact hierarchy of the Archons, but I go on what I learned while writing the papers. From a soul perspective, Isis is Ninurta's daughter, but not in a human sense of thinking. Regarding 4% vs. 96%. Yes. The 8th and 9th Heavens are "Heaven the Orion Empire" as it was described to me. The Seven Heavens (and the five layers of the Abyss) are the 4% universe. That is my understanding. But even that is nothing like we have been able to imagine before. The Universe is NOTHING like we think it is, or like NASA has portrayed it. NASA's model is like a made-up video game--it's very wrong. |
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Post by Wes Penre on May 29, 2020 18:56:00 GMT
CORRECTION: Ariel and I have just figured out how the different Heavens are related to each other and how this universe is really constructed. It's the most mind-blowing thing, and you will notice how much sense it makes. So, there will be a Gnosis 8 released soon, and Gnosis 9 will not be about the Afterlife but a deep explanation (with diagrams) exactly how these heavens correspond with each other. Then, Gnosis 10 will be about the Afterlife, as it seems like now. We need to do it in this order for it to make sense. Once there is an understanding how the Universe looks like, everything will be so much easier to understand.
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Post by Nataša on May 31, 2020 8:44:01 GMT
![]() This is an interesting painting. I think it represents Yaldabaoth creating Archons....
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Post by Nataša on May 31, 2020 9:11:48 GMT
I was blown away by this poem among the Gnostic manuscripts, I feel like she is talking directly to me, introducing herself.
The Thunder, Perfect Mind
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Post by Wes Penre on May 31, 2020 13:34:23 GMT
![]() This is an interesting painting. I think it represents Yaldabaoth creating Archons....
What an amazing painting, Natasha!!! I love it, and I'm going to use it for one of the upcoming articles! Just like you, my first impression was that he created archons (after all, they are 12 in numbers in the painting). Then I noticed what Yaldabaoth is actually doing; check what's coming out of his mouth. It's his "outbreath." Two articles from now, we're going to discuss how Yaldabaoth created his version of humans. Here, he is probably blowing Spirit into humans in the painting. He thinks it's HIS Spirit, but he is tricked by Sophia to blow his essence into humans, when in fact it's Sophia, who's blowing Spirit into humans THROUGH Yaldabaoth. It COULD also be that the painting portrays Yaldabaoth blowing soul energy into his 12 archons (no Spirit). It's hard to say--both versions work. Because we've already written the article where the creation of the archons is concerned, I'll use it for the human creation instead (Namlu'u version 2/Homo sapiens...not homo sapiens sapiens, which is the current version). Thanks for posting this. |
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Post by Nataša on May 31, 2020 14:34:31 GMT
I think you are right, Wes, those faces coming out of his mouth are probably first humans. Look at the stars behind him; aren`t they the luminaries Sophia created before Yaldabaoth created humans and after he created Archons? "But before all these things, when Adam of light appeared on the first day, he remained upon the earth about two days. He left the lower forethought in heaven and began to ascend to his light. And immediately darkness came upon the whole world. Now, when Sophia, who is in the lower heaven, wanted to receive authority from Pistis, she created great luminaries and all the stars, and put them in the heaven to shine upon the earth and to perfect chronological signs and seasons and years and months and days and nights and seconds, and so on. And thus everything up in the sky was ordered." "She put them above the Earth (Yaldabaoth’s “footstool”) to create an orderly version of time and seasons and perhaps to be like lighthouses for Pistis Sophia."
Maybe the stars represent Sophia.
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Post by sahib on Jul 2, 2020 23:31:28 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Attachments:
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Post by Ariel on Jul 3, 2020 0:42:56 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green:  Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 3, 2020 1:21:45 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. Good diagram, sahib. I agree with Ariel about the small changes she made. The Pleroma, as Ariel mentioned, is located above the 8th and 9th Heaven. Orion is not part of the Pleroma. The GT say that no souls can exist in the Pleroma because souls are energy and of the "material/ethereal" universe. Souls can enter Orion, but not the Pleroma. Therefore, the 8th and 9th can't be of the Pleroma. Also, at the bottom...If we look at the original diagram, we see that the Earth is located below the 7 Heavens. That is the Underworld, where we now reside. The Abyss, as I see it, is the only thing below us. We have five Underworld Heavens above us (the atmosphere) where 5 chief archons of "Hell" rule (our current dimension). So that corresponds, too. Over the last 2000 years or so, we have descended WITHIN the Underworld, as we understand it--everything's become denser. Now we've reached the bottom. |
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Post by Del on Jul 3, 2020 6:36:44 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. My impression was (see print screen – Ariel’s comment) that only the KHAA includes the 8th & 9th Heavens, thus, the KHAA’s location arrow would extend to these two Heavens.
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Post by wombat on Jul 3, 2020 9:59:48 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding.
My thoughts and I'm not being facetious here ------ how about the postulate due to the fact that everything is frequency that all the levels including the 8th and the 9th are just one big programme impinged upon genuine Spirit soul willingly accepting or not to perceive that progression up or down as the case may be and that the grid is actually part of that programming/game agreed to willingly or not --- that this was all set up byYal,b (some one has to be the original instigator of such a programme for what ever reason?) --- I'm not making light of all these summations and I reckon the diagrams are extremely good describing the subject we are discussing. The diagram/s are probably the best we the humans in this dense lower frequency are able articulate and are probably the best way to gain some comprehension of the expansion or decrease of frequency. The programming issue still feels relevant to me. The grid might just be another newer programme by Yal,b to keep the game going and to trap players who are becoming bored and aware of the futility of their agreed to willingly or not programming. What I'm saying in short if that the grid is only a programme/implant and all we have to do is realise such and then negate it and move on to the next highest position in the programme that fits our own frequency/Gnosis --- gain more awareness to further our paths progression and so on. Of course there might be some humans of very high frequency and unless they knew of the game and did not have any idea of how to exit the game they would remain in this matrix in blistfull ignorance. The grid is where we put it. Just thoughts People. Appreciate if any of you wish to point out any holes in this summation.
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Post by vitalinfo on Jul 3, 2020 10:25:22 GMT
Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding.
My thoughts and I'm not being facetious here ------ how about the postulate due to the fact that everything is frequency that all the levels including the 8th and the 9th are just one big programme impinged upon genuine Spirit soul willingly accepting or not to perceive that progression up or down as the case may be and that the grid is actually part of that programming/game agreed to willingly or not --- that this was all set up byYal,b (some one has to be the original instigator of such a programme for what ever reason?) --- I'm not making light of all these summations and I reckon the diagrams are extremely good describing the subject we are discussing. The diagram/s are probably the best we the humans in this dense lower frequency are able articulate and are probably the best way to gain some comprehension of the expansion or decrease of frequency. The programming issue still feels relevant to me. The grid might just be another newer programme by Yal,b to keep the game going and to trap players who are becoming bored and aware of the futility of their agreed to willingly or not programming. What I'm saying in short if that the grid is only a programme/implant and all we have to do is realise such and then negate it and move on to the next highest position in the programme that fits our own frequency/Gnosis --- gain more awareness to further our paths progression and so on. Of course there might be some humans of very high frequency and unless they knew of the game and did not have any idea of how to exit the game they would remain in this matrix in blistfull ignorance. The grid is where we put it. Just thoughts People. Appreciate if any of you wish to point out any holes in this summation.
We have the Penre Papers and the Gnostic teachings confirming the Penre Papers and Wes his contact with John. Together with all that I have a very strong feeling that all this information is as close to the truth as we can possibly get. We cannot know anything with absolute certainty, but for me it is good enough. I know what I will do when the time comes. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 3, 2020 14:37:39 GMT
Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. My impression was (see print screen – Ariel’s comment) that only the KHAA includes the 8th & 9th Heavens, thus, the KHAA’s location arrow would extend to these two Heavens.
That's a good observation, Del! I completely missed that in the modified diagram. You are absolutely correct. The arrow that point out the KHAA should be extended to include the 8th and 9th Heavens, as well. The KHAA is the Kenoma, Orion, the Abyss/the VOID put together...IOW, ALL of Sophia's Creation. What the GT call the Kenoma is everything from the Abyss up to the 7th Heaven. The KHAA in the WPP would be the Kenoma PLUS the 8th and 9th. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 3, 2020 14:48:06 GMT
My thoughts and I'm not being facetious here ------ how about the postulate due to the fact that everything is frequency that all the levels including the 8th and the 9th are just one big programme impinged upon genuine Spirit soul willingly accepting or not to perceive that progression up or down as the case may be and that the grid is actually part of that programming/game agreed to willingly or not --- that this was all set up byYal,b (some one has to be the original instigator of such a programme for what ever reason?) --- I'm not making light of all these summations and I reckon the diagrams are extremely good describing the subject we are discussing. The diagram/s are probably the best we the humans in this dense lower frequency are able articulate and are probably the best way to gain some comprehension of the expansion or decrease of frequency. The programming issue still feels relevant to me. The grid might just be another newer programme by Yal,b to keep the game going and to trap players who are becoming bored and aware of the futility of their agreed to willingly or not programming. What I'm saying in short if that the grid is only a programme/implant and all we have to do is realise such and then negate it and move on to the next highest position in the programme that fits our own frequency/Gnosis --- gain more awareness to further our paths progression and so on. Of course there might be some humans of very high frequency and unless they knew of the game and did not have any idea of how to exit the game they would remain in this matrix in blistfull ignorance. The grid is where we put it. Just thoughts People. Appreciate if any of you wish to point out any holes in this summation.
We have the Penre Papers and the Gnostic teachings confirming the Penre Papers and Wes his contact with John. Together with all that I have a very strong feeling that all this information is as close to the truth as we can possibly get. We cannot know anything with absolute certainty, but for me it is good enough. I know what I will do when the time comes. I love to see how people on the forum are stretching their thinking to figure things out, just like Ariel and I do. I just love it! I agree with you 100%, vitalinfo! I have come to a point in my own "development" where I have never before been so sure about that where we are now on our path is correct, as far as we humans can fathom it. There is still more to learn to make both our transition more understandable and to comprehend even better what's awaiting on our human mission, but overall...I feel VERY confident that we are where we should be. It's not an intellectual knowing anymore--it's an INNER Knowing in a literal sense. Something that can not even be shaken if the entire world told me I was wrong. Wrong in some details? Oh yes, because we can only understand this from our limited perspective, but overall---there is a stable core in me that no one can change even under torture and MK Ultra, or whatnot. So much fear--even fear I didn't know I had--is thrown out the window. And all this "I am not enough" stuff I'd been carrying since childhood is not there anymore. I KNOW who I am, and I know who other Spirited humans are. If that isn't "enough," there is nothing that is... |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jul 3, 2020 15:35:35 GMT
Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding.
My thoughts and I'm not being facetious here ------ how about the postulate due to the fact that everything is frequency that all the levels including the 8th and the 9th are just one big programme impinged upon genuine Spirit soul willingly accepting or not to perceive that progression up or down as the case may be and that the grid is actually part of that programming/game agreed to willingly or not --- that this was all set up byYal,b (some one has to be the original instigator of such a programme for what ever reason?) --- I'm not making light of all these summations and I reckon the diagrams are extremely good describing the subject we are discussing. The diagram/s are probably the best we the humans in this dense lower frequency are able articulate and are probably the best way to gain some comprehension of the expansion or decrease of frequency. The programming issue still feels relevant to me. The grid might just be another newer programme by Yal,b to keep the game going and to trap players who are becoming bored and aware of the futility of their agreed to willingly or not programming. What I'm saying in short if that the grid is only a programme/implant and all we have to do is realise such and then negate it and move on to the next highest position in the programme that fits our own frequency/Gnosis --- gain more awareness to further our paths progression and so on. Of course there might be some humans of very high frequency and unless they knew of the game and did not have any idea of how to exit the game they would remain in this matrix in blistfull ignorance. The grid is where we put it. Just thoughts People. Appreciate if any of you wish to point out any holes in this summation.
More good thinking! The following is just MY perspective, and I won't always have something to back it up with. Feel free everybody to add and subtract to this, as we all learn from each other... The original human soul group was created in an area between the 7th and 8th Heaven (first Earth/Tiamaat), so we had access to BOTH Orion and the Kenoma--we were ethereal with very fluid physical bodies. My perception is that if it was possible for you and me to travel there now, we would see quite a transparent world, which we probably could more or less walk right through. It would be almost physical, but we could walk through trees and bodies, as well as these humans could walk through us, if this makes sense. It's just a fun perspective, that's all. I think the original soul group also had some kind of Grid around the original Earth, which kept us all together--together is strong, right? Yald decided to copy this entire structure in a lower Heaven, and since we wrote the GT articles, we have expanded a little bit on this. I wrote in the articles that our first descension was to the Third Heaven. Probably not! Yald was not in charge of the 7th Heaven anymore at that time, so my guess is that our first descension was into the 6th Heaven, then the 5th, 4th, 3rd, and so on. The Floods we read about are not only the planets in this descending patterns being literally flooded--we also sank in the cosmic water into the heaven below. Thus, we have the myths of Lemuria and Atlantis--two different experiences in two different heavens (I know I am digressing now, but I might as well LOL). So, first Yald created his own copy of what was transpiring on the original Tiamaat/Earth into the 6th Heaven, and he created human bodies in the likeness of what he saw in the 7th/8th Heaven. The Divine side knew this was going to happen because that's the pattern of Yald and his copying/mimicking. So, Zoe Sophia beamed her "sunbeams" (Spirit) into the bodies that Yald created, and she did it THROUGH him, and Yald did not understand that he was being "used" until afterwards. Then it was too late--his "creation" was already "infested" with Spirited humans. And he did the same thing as Sophia did (copying again...as above so below)--he threw Adam away and "disowned" him. Humans were "cast down" to a lower realm. They were thrown out of Eden. I believe all these versions of Earth had a Grid around them. When Yald mimicked the original Earth/Tiamaat, he included the Grid and held it in place with technology. However, we got help from the 8th/9th Heavens from descending Aeons (Sophia/Christ), who gave humanity some Knowledge, so we could fulfill our mission. Yes, we were probably "trapped" within the Grid already from the first descension, but that was okay--our mission was/is to wake Yald up from WITHIN the constructs, respectively. Then came the Consummation of the Age in each construct--respectively--and Christ came down, lifted us up and shone light into the Construct (let's say the 5th Heaven) and Yald and his archons had to flee from the light and descend lower into their heavens, where they copied and mimicked again and created a new civilization (4th Heaven in this example). This is where Thoth comes into the picture, being known for "helping" humanity build new civilizations. The Divine Plan was to have Yald and his archons descend to the bottom of the Kenoma, from where he no longer could hide, and we followed him, until he no longer can hide in darkness. I think that's the plan from the get go. That's why this takes "so long." It had to be done this way. We ARE at the bottom now. from what we understand, so this will be the last Consummation of the Age, probably. |
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Post by sahib on Jul 3, 2020 21:06:36 GMT
My thoughts and I'm not being facetious here ------ how about the postulate due to the fact that everything is frequency that all the levels including the 8th and the 9th are just one big programme impinged upon genuine Spirit soul willingly accepting or not to perceive that progression up or down as the case may be and that the grid is actually part of that programming/game agreed to willingly or not --- that this was all set up byYal,b (some one has to be the original instigator of such a programme for what ever reason?) --- I'm not making light of all these summations and I reckon the diagrams are extremely good describing the subject we are discussing. The diagram/s are probably the best we the humans in this dense lower frequency are able articulate and are probably the best way to gain some comprehension of the expansion or decrease of frequency. The programming issue still feels relevant to me. The grid might just be another newer programme by Yal,b to keep the game going and to trap players who are becoming bored and aware of the futility of their agreed to willingly or not programming. What I'm saying in short if that the grid is only a programme/implant and all we have to do is realise such and then negate it and move on to the next highest position in the programme that fits our own frequency/Gnosis --- gain more awareness to further our paths progression and so on. Of course there might be some humans of very high frequency and unless they knew of the game and did not have any idea of how to exit the game they would remain in this matrix in blistfull ignorance. The grid is where we put it. Just thoughts People. Appreciate if any of you wish to point out any holes in this summation.
More good thinking! The following is just MY perspective, and I won't always have something to back it up with. Feel free everybody to add and subtract to this, as we all learn from each other... The original human soul group was created in an area between the 7th and 8th Heaven (first Earth/Tiamaat), so we had access to BOTH Orion and the Kenoma--we were ethereal with very fluid physical bodies. My perception is that if it was possible for you and me to travel there now, we would see quite a transparent world, which we probably could more or less walk right through. It would be almost physical, but we could walk through trees and bodies, as well as these humans could walk through us, if this makes sense. It's just a fun perspective, that's all. I think the original soul group also had some kind of Grid around the original Earth, which kept us all together--together is strong, right? Yald decided to copy this entire structure in a lower Heaven, and since we wrote the GT articles, we have expanded a little bit on this. I wrote in the articles that our first descension was to the Third Heaven. Probably not! Yald was not in charge of the 7th Heaven anymore at that time, so my guess is that our first descension was into the 6th Heaven, then the 5th, 4th, 3rd, and so on. The Floods we read about are not only the planets in this descending patterns being literally flooded--we also sank in the cosmic water into the heaven below. Thus, we have the myths of Lemuria and Atlantis--two different experiences in two different heavens (I know I am digressing now, but I might as well LOL). So, first Yald created his own copy of what was transpiring on the original Tiamaat/Earth into the 6th Heaven, and he created human bodies in the likeness of what he saw in the 7th/8th Heaven. The Divine side knew this was going to happen because that's the pattern of Yald and his copying/mimicking. So, Zoe Sophia beamed her "sunbeams" (Spirit) into the bodies that Yald created, and she did it THROUGH him, and Yald did not understand that he was being "used" until afterwards. Then it was too late--his "creation" was already "infested" with Spirited humans. And he did the same thing as Sophia did (copying again...as above so below)--he threw Adam away and "disowned" him. Humans were "cast down" to a lower realm. They were thrown out of Eden. I believe all these versions of Earth had a Grid around them. When Yald mimicked the original Earth/Tiamaat, he included the Grid and held it in place with technology. However, we got help from the 8th/9th Heavens from descending Aeons (Sophia/Christ), who gave humanity some Knowledge, so we could fulfill our mission. Yes, we were probably "trapped" within the Grid already from the first descension, but that was okay--our mission was/is to wake Yald up from WITHIN the constructs, respectively. Then came the Consummation of the Age in each construct--respectively--and Christ came down, lifted us up and shone light into the Construct (let's say the 5th Heaven) and Yald and his archons had to flee from the light and descend lower into their heavens, where they copied and mimicked again and created a new civilization (4th Heaven in this example). This is where Thoth comes into the picture, being known for "helping" humanity build new civilizations. The Divine Plan was to have Yald and his archons descend to the bottom of the Kenoma, from where he no longer could hide, and we followed him, until he no longer can hide in darkness. I think that's the plan from the get go. That's why this takes "so long." It had to be done this way. We ARE at the bottom now. from what we understand, so this will be the last Consummation of the Age, probably. This is an interesting point of view, Wes. I'm gonna have to think about this. For now, I'm assuming it's your personal view. It's all possible, of course, but I think there's more to it than that. Because of what you're summarizing here, I would have to split it up into separate parts first, and ponder about it, otherwise it will become a mess in my train of thought. Because if I don’t then I only follow your vision and not my own thoughts about it. All in all, it has become an incredibly complicated puzzle. In order to substantiate all this, it is necessary to relate many pieces of text from the GT to each other. That is also the reason why I often use graphical representations of certain concepts, so that I can summarize various concepts in one sketch. Especially when many details are scattered over incomplete text parts of the Nag Hammadi Codex. I'm going to try to 'feel' your vision if it feels right in my line of thought. |
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Post by sahib on Jul 3, 2020 21:13:57 GMT
Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. My impression was (see print screen – Ariel’s comment) that only the KHAA includes the 8th & 9th Heavens, thus, the KHAA’s location arrow would extend to these two Heavens.
You're absolutely right Del, originally I had drawn it on the right side but there wasn't enough space so I redrawn it on the left side with the wrong end point at the top. Good observation by the way! |
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Post by sahib on Jul 3, 2020 21:33:38 GMT
When I study something, I always take notes or make a sketch of what I understand from what I read. In this way it remains easier to remember and to continue to work with, without having to read something back over and over again. Thus, I have tried to refine the position of the heavens, as Ariel presented it in a drawing in Gnosis paper 7. This is the result I got and when I look at it, I immediately get a clear picture of how it is described in the text of the GT. Do you think it's accurate? If I would like to position the Grid, where do I put it, at A, B or C? Or is it impossible to include it in this picture? - click to enlarge -Looks very good! If I had to make any corrections to your model, I would put Earth at the bottom of the lower "heavens" (there are five underworld or "hell" dimensions). There is some question as to whether or not we are positioned at the very bottom of the five underworld levels (which I agree with) or whether or not we have one or two more levels to descend before we reach the abyss and enter into an entirely new "type" of Universal structure or construct. The grid in your diagram belongs at "A" or where the "moon" is in this diagram. I added my comments in green: Also, the 8th/9th aren't "in" the Pleroma. They are next to it. The Pleroma does not extend down into this realm. That purple dotted line would be the boundary or barrier between the 9th heaven and the Pleroma. This is where the "Queen of Orion" resides (9th), or in other words, where Sophia rests. Most of us will land in the 8th heaven or Orion. No one but the Queen is in the 9th. This is my understanding. I think you're right, Ariel, about where Earth should be in the picture and the "extra" sun. Somewhere in the GT, I've read something about it, but that really slipped my mind when I made the drawing. So that's what I mean by making a drawing to bring a lot of concepts together in one clear drawing, because there's a lot of information scattered throughout the GT. And that makes it easy to get lost in your train of thought. But it's great to talk about it with each other and exchange thoughts and correct when necessary, so we can help each other understand the knowledge. The position of the 8th and 9th heavens is a typical mistake of mine because English is not my native language and I have misinterpreted certain words. Thank you for your correction. On closer inspection I also discovered that what I called "firmament" is a creation by Adam/Christ and not by Sophia as part of the "veil" that I thought earlier. |
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