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Post by Wes Penre on May 21, 2020 21:54:44 GMT
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Post by vitalinfo on May 22, 2020 12:56:37 GMT
"Within the Fullness of Divine Creation, which is our Spiritual home, the Source of All emanated qualities of Itself that were to be used for Creation."
Could it be that a word is missing in this sentence. Could it be the word is "reside".
"Within the Fullness of Divine Creation, which is our Spiritual home, reside the Source of All emanated qualities of Itself that were to be used for Creation."
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Post by cam on May 22, 2020 13:02:00 GMT
Wes/Ariel: so if the Aeon Sophia was created curious and not knowing, I guess we didn't know who we were on Tiamaat either. What is the big difference between then and now? Is it that, back then, knowledge was available to all who looked for it? ... and here, although this knowledge is available, it is being kept from us by the bad guys? Thanks  |
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Post by Nina on May 22, 2020 13:41:32 GMT
Beautiful article.
After having digested this material I have some questions.
Maybe these questions will be answered along the way!?, but this was what came into my mind when reading the material:
Why does an overseer not only oversee but also create?
How come the overseer is made by a state of imbalance( wisdom and ignorance) how come these two aspects necessarily create imbalance ?
Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation ?
In this context how come it works to do (psychological work) to remove shadows or revoking a soul contract?
Does En.ki knows that he is both an overseer and a trickster/manipulator ... and how does he feel about that?
What is the relationship between the overseer En.ki and Sophia ? Respect for each other’s work/creation?
Why is it a burden for Sophia? Is it also a burden for En.ki and all the other Aeons?
I am thinking a lot about the concept of free will and law of attraction. In this context: do we have free will ? and does law of attraction/manifestation really work or is the reason why it does not work because we are in the matrix where it is not supposed not to work?
When you write about humans or refer to ‘we’ in the article do you mean spirited beings/ namlu’u? And are the rest (most of them) still NPC’s?
Do all 7 billion (if that is the number) humans on the planet have a thirst for knowledge or is it only us / spirited beings?
Do you know how it will end and when? ( kind of silly question maybe) ... I guess it’s my inner thirst for knowledge that wants to know LOL.
Why was it called a mistake or the fall of Sophia? Why did they call it that? When it was not.
A benefit of this lockdown is that I could spend about five hours sitting with this text in my kitchen reading and pondering in my own peace of time wonderful.
And I enjoyed so much to read the article and get all the insights.
How in the world was it possible for you to translate / understand the gnostic text in this way? I am a bit amassed.
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Post by vitalinfo on May 22, 2020 14:05:48 GMT
Beautiful article. After having digested this material I have some questions. Maybe these questions will be answered along the way!?, but this was what came into my mind when reading the material: Why does an overseer not only oversee but also create? How come the overseer is made by a state of imbalance( wisdom and ignorance) how come these two aspects necessarily create imbalance ? Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation ? In this context how come it works to do (psychological work) to remove shadows or revoking a soul contract? Does En.ki knows that he is both an overseer and a trickster/manipulator ... and how does he feel about that? What is the relationship between the overseer En.ki and Sophia ? Respect for each other’s work/creation? Why is it a burden for Sophia? Is it also a burden for En.ki and all the other Aeons? I am thinking a lot about the concept of free will and law of attraction. In this context: do we have free will ? and does law of attraction/manifestation really work or is the reason why it does not work because we are in the matrix where it is not supposed not to work? When you write about humans or refer to ‘we’ in the article do you mean spirited beings/ namlu’u? And are the rest (most of them) still NPC’s? Do all 7 billion (if that is the number) humans on the planet have a thirst for knowledge or is it only us / spirited beings? Do you know how it will end and when? ( kind of silly question maybe) ... I guess it’s my inner thirst for knowledge that wants to know LOL. Why was it called a mistake or the fall of Sophia? Why did they call it that? When it was not. A benefit of this lockdown is that I could spend about five hours sitting with this text in my kitchen reading and pondering in my own peace of time wonderful. And I enjoyed so much to read the article and get all the insights. How in the world was it possible for you to translate / understand the gnostic text in this way? I am a bit amassed. I would like to try to answer your first question. Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation? "There are overseers to all the areas of creation to observe the magnificent creations that are generated within their own areas of creation. These overseers are “formed” out of the qualities in the area they oversee. They act as participants for Source to explore these various levels and attributes of creation." As I understand it the overseers are a different aspect of creation as they oversee the qualities of creation (the Aeons). But maybe I am wrong and the Aeons are also the overseers of their creations. This is indeed not entirely clear. |
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Post by Wes Penre on May 22, 2020 15:04:39 GMT
Beautiful article. After having digested this material I have some questions. Maybe these questions will be answered along the way!?, but this was what came into my mind when reading the material: Why does an overseer not only oversee but also create? How come the overseer is made by a state of imbalance( wisdom and ignorance) how come these two aspects necessarily create imbalance ? Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation ? In this context how come it works to do (psychological work) to remove shadows or revoking a soul contract? Does En.ki knows that he is both an overseer and a trickster/manipulator ... and how does he feel about that? What is the relationship between the overseer En.ki and Sophia ? Respect for each other’s work/creation? Why is it a burden for Sophia? Is it also a burden for En.ki and all the other Aeons? I am thinking a lot about the concept of free will and law of attraction. In this context: do we have free will ? and does law of attraction/manifestation really work or is the reason why it does not work because we are in the matrix where it is not supposed not to work? When you write about humans or refer to ‘we’ in the article do you mean spirited beings/ namlu’u? And are the rest (most of them) still NPC’s? Do all 7 billion (if that is the number) humans on the planet have a thirst for knowledge or is it only us / spirited beings? Do you know how it will end and when? ( kind of silly question maybe) ... I guess it’s my inner thirst for knowledge that wants to know LOL. Why was it called a mistake or the fall of Sophia? Why did they call it that? When it was not. A benefit of this lockdown is that I could spend about five hours sitting with this text in my kitchen reading and pondering in my own peace of time wonderful. And I enjoyed so much to read the article and get all the insights. How in the world was it possible for you to translate / understand the gnostic text in this way? I am a bit amassed. I would like to try to answer your first question. Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation? "There are overseers to all the areas of creation to observe the magnificent creations that are generated within their own areas of creation. These overseers are “formed” out of the qualities in the area they oversee. They act as participants for Source to explore these various levels and attributes of creation." As I understand it the overseers are a different aspect of creation as they oversee the qualities of creation (the Aeons). But maybe I am wrong and the Aeons are also the overseers of their creations. This is indeed not entirely clear. Yes, Aeons are Overseers. I wrote about Overseers in the WPP, as well. The Sumerian texts call them Watchers and IGIGI, having totally twisted it into making the Watchers and the IGIGI part of the Overlord team. Aeons are aspects of Source, each one having their own creative abilities within their "personal" characteristics. From there, they create worlds, realms, universes...whatever they choose to create to expand themselves and thus the Monad's/Source's potentials. They then become the Overseers in their areas of Creation. There were aspects of Spirits/Aeons assisting this Kenoma/KHAA creation on behalf of Sophia from the beginning of the Kenoma up until now. We do still have overseers here, something that I was very doubtful about up until recently. Now I understand better. There are "good forces" here, although they are not FROM here but from the Pleroma. They can extract and retract themselves from that realm and extend themselves down the "rabbit hole" i.e. Yaldabaoth's realm. |
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Post by sahib on May 22, 2020 15:14:16 GMT
"We can NEVER make this area a perfect creation because it exists in a state of disharmony (suffering) and ignorance (darkness). It is not our purpose to change this area of creation, it is our purpose to perfect ourselves and therefore come OUT of this area of creation and return to our Spiritual home." [from Gnosis part 4]
That is why I'm always surprised to hear when some people still assume to improve or 'heal' this creation, to change it while it is meant to be a disharmonious creation. All that remains for us is to leave this construct for what it is and prepare ourselves to leave.
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Post by Wes Penre on May 22, 2020 15:15:30 GMT
Wes/Ariel: so if the Aeon Sophia was created curious and not knowing, I guess we didn't know who we were on Tiamaat either. What is the big difference between then and now? Is it that, back then, knowledge was available to all who looked for it? ... and here, although this knowledge is available, it is being kept from us by the bad guys? Thanks Very profound questions, Cam! The reason why this might seem confusing is because we've not come to that part yet in our articles. It has to do with the Christ Consciousness (Spirit of Christ) and what that REALLY is, which comes later in the story. We DID have Gnosis when we were on Tiamaat, and it has to do with the Spirit of Christ merging or working together with Sophia as a consort. For that to make sense, we need to explain what the Spirit of Christ is, which we will soon. |
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Post by sahib on May 22, 2020 15:18:10 GMT
About the fall of Sophia:
Valentinianism is the most widespread and influential movement within Gnosticism. And in Valentinian Gnosticism there is talk of an Upper and a Lower Sophia (Wisdom). Where the Lower Sophia is called 'Achamoth'.
And according to ‘The First Apocalypse of James’, Achamoth’s mother is Sophia: “Sophia (...) is the mother of Achamoth.” (First Apocalypse of James)
All beings in the Upper Aeons are androgynous angels (i.e. both male and female), except Achamoth, who is female from a female: “Achamoth (...) is female from a female.” (First Apocalypse of James)
In the Valentinian system described by Ptolemy, Sophia suffered because she attempted to know the entirety of the Father. Thus, she stretched herself outward, until she finally met with ‘the Limit’ (horos) since the Father cannot be known in his entirety. Through this ‘passion’, Sophia accidentally produced ‘Desire’, which fell outside the limit. Although Sophia was restored to the upper Pleroma, ‘Desire’ became Achamoth, the Sophia fallen to the Lower Aeons.
That Achamoth came forth from Sophia: “When the Desire of the Sophia above, also called Achamoth, had been banished from the Pleroma above, by necessity she was cast with her passion in places of Shadow and the Void.”
That Achamoth is ‘female from female’: “Since Sophia had undertaken an impossible and unattainable task, she brought forth (...Achamoth...) a thing such as (only) a female by herself can bear.” (Ptolemy from Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses)
According to The First Apocalypse of James, Achamoth (Sophia) produced Yaldabaoth and the Archons without intercourse from the father: “the Pre-existent One did not have intercourse with her (Achamoth), when she produced them (the Archons).” (First Apocalypse of James)
Achamoth (Sophia) did not have the consent of her consort, Christ (Thelètos), when she created Yaldabaoth: “She (Achamoth) produced you without a male, since she was alone (and) in ignorance as to what lives through her mother because she thought that she alone existed.” (First Apocalypse of James)
Because she created alone, Achamoth (Sophia) produced a faulted being, Yaldabaoth, who was responsible for the material world, the Archons, the androgynous 2nd Adam, and the flesh-endowed 3rd Adam whom he eventually divided into Adam and Eve, and he was also responsible for their temptation and fall.
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Post by sirumoon on May 22, 2020 15:49:26 GMT
"We can NEVER make this area a perfect creation because it exists in a state of disharmony (suffering) and ignorance (darkness). It is not our purpose to change this area of creation, it is our purpose to perfect ourselves and therefore come OUT of this area of creation and return to our Spiritual home." [from Gnosis part 4] That is why I'm always surprised to hear when some people still assume to improve or 'heal' this creation, to change it while it is meant to be a disharmonious creation. All that remains for us is to leave this construct for what it is and prepare ourselves to leave. im not really suprised because humans are real powerfull, right now things are falling apart and we dont know where we are going. its good vs evil. it will never be a perfect world but people will get along more in the future i think. |
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Post by Ariel on May 22, 2020 16:02:36 GMT
Beautiful article. After having digested this material I have some questions. Maybe these questions will be answered along the way!?, but this was what came into my mind when reading the material: Why does an overseer not only oversee but also create? How come the overseer is made by a state of imbalance( wisdom and ignorance) how come these two aspects necessarily create imbalance ? Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation ? In this context how come it works to do (psychological work) to remove shadows or revoking a soul contract? Does En.ki knows that he is both an overseer and a trickster/manipulator ... and how does he feel about that? What is the relationship between the overseer En.ki and Sophia ? Respect for each other’s work/creation? Why is it a burden for Sophia? Is it also a burden for En.ki and all the other Aeons? I am thinking a lot about the concept of free will and law of attraction. In this context: do we have free will ? and does law of attraction/manifestation really work or is the reason why it does not work because we are in the matrix where it is not supposed not to work? When you write about humans or refer to ‘we’ in the article do you mean spirited beings/ namlu’u? And are the rest (most of them) still NPC’s? Do all 7 billion (if that is the number) humans on the planet have a thirst for knowledge or is it only us / spirited beings? Do you know how it will end and when? ( kind of silly question maybe) ... I guess it’s my inner thirst for knowledge that wants to know LOL. Why was it called a mistake or the fall of Sophia? Why did they call it that? When it was not. A benefit of this lockdown is that I could spend about five hours sitting with this text in my kitchen reading and pondering in my own peace of time wonderful. And I enjoyed so much to read the article and get all the insights. How in the world was it possible for you to translate / understand the gnostic text in this way? I am a bit amassed. I would like to try to answer your first question. Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation? "There are overseers to all the areas of creation to observe the magnificent creations that are generated within their own areas of creation. These overseers are “formed” out of the qualities in the area they oversee. They act as participants for Source to explore these various levels and attributes of creation." As I understand it the overseers are a different aspect of creation as they oversee the qualities of creation (the Aeons). But maybe I am wrong and the Aeons are also the overseers of their creations. This is indeed not entirely clear. Thank you for pointing out what is clear and what isn't. This is VERY helpful! I wrote about the balls of clay. Imagine that you are contemplating who you are...As soon as you have the thought of (example) "I am kind!" another aspect will also come with that thought because to be kind demands that you DO something in order to show kindness. Does this make sense? You just can't BE kind. Kindness implies that you are kind because of how you act, otherwise, kindness just stands alone. If kindness stands alone, then how do you recognize kindness from, let's say, generosity? So kindness will automatically come paired with something like (example) Service to Others. One quality helps facilitate the other, and when combined, you have a complete creation of kindness. How can you be kind if you don't do an act of service for and vice versa. They go together. Now, that ball of clay that has emanated from you is BOTH kindness/service. They go together. OUT OF that ball of clay, all things created will be made with those qualities. That clay is a Universe, for lack of a better word, and the overseers for that Universe will be formations of the qualities for that Universe. They are the overseers for this creation because they "embody" the qualities that created it. To interfere in this is very tricky from "outside" sources. They aren't supposed to, but we need help here. Overseers are here to keep out the interference. This is especially tricky for the Universe we live in because the interference is what helps us get out of here. Is it starting to be more clear on why truth keeps getting co-opted and distorted? It contradicts this Universe, and the overseers for this Universe (En.ki/his ilk) consider this an interference and an intrusion, which according to their perspective, is not completely wrong. If we want out, we have to get ourselves out. This is why. This matrix that we exist in WILL ALWAYS be formed with the qualities that created it. ALWAYS. However, when we return "home", we can experience other universes that have been created. This one we live in is the lowest of the low. Look at the Aeons that were created and you will have a good idea of what other Universes exist. You don't have to, though. Geez, wouldn't it be nice to go participate in a Universe for a while whose qualities are something more uplifting to the Spirit? You can't get there from here, though. You have to go back home, first. Edit to add - the Aeons for your Universe in this example would be kindness and service. Aeons are the qualities that determine and define creation. |
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Post by sirumoon on May 22, 2020 16:52:28 GMT
im def leaving this planet, but we have to be here for a while and we will see it get better or worse.
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Post by Ariel on May 22, 2020 17:25:05 GMT
Beautiful article. After having digested this material I have some questions. Maybe these questions will be answered along the way!?, but this was what came into my mind when reading the material: Why does an overseer not only oversee but also create? Creation happens first, then it is watched over. Not sure I understand your question. How come the overseer is made by a state of imbalance( wisdom and ignorance) how come these two aspects necessarily create imbalance ? Wisdom is not just having knowledge.
Wisdom is the ability to use knowledge in a way that is beneficial.
Because Wisdom needs knowledge in order to create and manifest itself, it immediately came with its counterpart - "need knowledge"
"Need Knowledge" was given many terms, but desire was one. Will was another. Intention was another. All of them trying to convey the quality of wanting to have something or seek out something.
The very nature of this quality indicates that something is "missing". Otherwise, why would you need it? Why would you desire it? Why would you seek it out if you already had it? Ultimately, this is what Source had found when it emanated Its last pair of Aeons. This was the motivation for It to begin the process to start with - a need to know Itself, which implies that it does NOT know everything. This is a paradox. Why did Source begin to move and emanate? Because It wanted to Know Itself. If it desired to Know Itself, then that implies that it is ignorant of Source. Does this make sense?
This is the ignorance or Not Knowing part of our creation.
The overseer for this Universe (En.ki) is the embodiment of these qualites. He is ignorant of Source. He thinks HE is Source because there is "nothing" above him. This has created an imbalance. Because HE created everything within this Universe according to the qualities that HE has. So, everything in this creation is ignorant of Source (until they aren't ). Is an overseer also an Aeon? So all Aeons are overseers of their creation ? Aeons are the qualities that define a creation or Universe. Everything that is created within that Universe is made with and from the qualities of that Universe. So, yes.
In this context how come it works to do (psychological work) to remove shadows or revoking a soul contract? I don't know about soul contract. I've never seen that as very important or neccessary. All soul contract means to me is your destiny according to your birth astrology. That's your wheel. If you no longer want to adhere to that agreement, just break your wheel. Take yourself off the predetermined life that you agreed to. Making major and often very difficult decisions (like divorce) can be a decision that breaks the wheel. Usually you know you've done it if the cycle does not repeat or come back. I'll give you an example - My father was toxic. I left home and it was a major event in my life (extremely difficult). Was that a wheel breaking moment? It could have been, if I had not run into the arms of my ex-husband. My ex-husband repeated the cycle that I was in with my father. It was when I divorced him that I broke the wheel because, as far as relationships go, I did not replace one toxic with another. I stopped the cycle. I broke my wheel. I took my life into a new course that I, alone, directed. This also leads to this...
Removing shadows helps you to gain access to the part of yourself that IS Source. Source is hidden in the shadow, here. It is true for the Universe and it is true for each one of us, individually. I can only speak for myself and my personal experience, but if I had not confronted my shadow, I would not have been able to see the perfection inside myself. I've hated myself for most of my life and the toxic relationships I was in created that in me.
Does En.ki knows that he is both an overseer and a trickster/manipulator ... and how does he feel about that? You would have to ask him. 
What is the relationship between the overseer En.ki and Sophia ? Respect for each other’s work/creation? I don't know. Last I heard, he didn't remember where he came from. That is why he thinks he is God. If he would remember that he is part of something much bigger than him (Source), then he would no longer be ignorant and this Universe would be perfected, therefore go back to Source. It would be over. We're still here, so....
Why is it a burden for Sophia? Is it also a burden for En.ki and all the other Aeons? Because she is holding the space open for us. She is both in and out. She cannot, in her fullness return to the Pleroma until we have all been returned to her. What is someone told you that you can't leave here until everyone else has gone out before you? Wouldn't you be impatient and tell them to hurry up? lol This is a HUGE act on "her" behalf to do this for us, but she benefits from it as well, as she knows it. She obviously is allowing us all the "time" we need to do this. That is why I say there is such faith in us to complete this. She is the first Aeon to "know" sadness, regret, longing, etc. She is both in this world and in the Pleroma, with knowledge of both, and because of her Wisdom, she sees it all as ultimately beneficial. She does NOT have the burden of Ignorance, however. That would be her "son" or the generation that emanated from her.
I am thinking a lot about the concept of free will and law of attraction. In this context: do we have free will ? and does law of attraction/manifestation really work or is the reason why it does not work because we are in the matrix where it is not supposed not to work? Yes. It works. It is one of the Natural Laws of this Universe.
When you write about humans or refer to ‘we’ in the article do you mean spirited beings/ namlu’u? And are the rest (most of them) still NPC’s? Yes, spirited beings. From what we understand, there are four types of "human" here.
1) "Kingless" and perfect. These are the ones who have no spiritual authority over them. That would be the original nams/spirited beings. We ARE Source. They will return to the Pleroma.
2) Spirited beings who have discovered their inner being and realize that they can create an effect, but have not realized the God within. They still place God above themselves, not realizing God is within them.
3) Soul driven. They recognize that they are more than a physical body and that there is something "more" to them.
4) Flesh oriented. Cannot and will never understand anything other than the physical realm. This makes up the majority. They are the NPCs. They only lust for material things, power, and control. This does not only include those at the top of the power structure on Earth. This also includes those who see their value in things like their car, their house, their relationship, their clothes, their academics, their finances, etc. Their safety and security only come from that they see around them, and not from an inner core of spiritual connection. They only get one life. They do not reincarnate. Their soul is completely consumed in the process of their lives.
Do all 7 billion (if that is the number) humans on the planet have a thirst for knowledge or is it only us / spirited beings? No, not everyone will have this thirst for knowledge of where they come from and who they are. They may have a desire to learn things, but this drive to discover the truth about themselves and the world they live in is what I was referring to with "thirst for knowledge".
Do you know how it will end and when? ( kind of silly question maybe) ... I guess it’s my inner thirst for knowledge that wants to know LOL. Why was it called a mistake or the fall of Sophia? Why did they call it that? When it was not. Nope, we don't know. Apparently that hasn't been decided. The book of Revelation (Bible) and other prophecies give some hints as to how it was supposed to happen, but that is no longer a guarantee. They need more of us to wake up in order for that to work, it seems.
I can only speak for myself on why it is called a fall or a mistake. I did, for a long time, until my perspective of it changed. I guess from different people's perspectives, they may also interpret it that way. What happened DID create a unique area within Pleroma which was separate and "lower" than the ones "above" it, so I guess it can be seen as a "fall" of sorts.
It's hard to describe this with words because there are no words for this. Energy/matter does not exist in the Pleroma. That only exists in this Universe. So, how do you describe an emanation without using words that relate to flow or energy or physical form? How do you describe the pairs of qualites that work together when masculine and feminine do not exist in the Pleroma? What do you call that? Most people just give up and give these things worldly descriptions and hope people will get the idea and form their own concept of it, using their own understanding. To put our words or labels on this immediately distorts it, so how do we share it? That's the million dollar question. A benefit of this lockdown is that I could spend about five hours sitting with this text in my kitchen reading and pondering in my own peace of time wonderful. And I enjoyed so much to read the article and get all the insights. That is wonderful How in the world was it possible for you to translate / understand the gnostic text in this way? I am a bit amassed. I can't say how it happened. It just did. When I read these texts a year ago, I was confused and didn't understand some of it. When I picked it back up recently, suddenly I could see it so plainly. It was like I had a tool to decipher it. It was so clear. I'm not saying I have it all figured out, but I am confident enough to share it and no longer be confused. I don't have all the answers to the questions, but I have all the answers to MY questions. I can only share from my own perspective. This is why I really hope this will inspire people to work on this (inner self/seeking knowlege) so that they will be able answer their own questions. I realize that sometimes it helps to have someone else to discuss things with before they really gel and become an inner knowing. That is ultimately why Wes and I have created this forum. We see the value in that because that is what we've done for each other. We want more people to be able to do this.
I have also done some major inner work, healing, and uncovering of my own baggage in the past year. I have really deepened my understanding of myself, and maybe that was the difference? I really don't know. All I know is that if I can do it, anyone can. I want ALL of you to see this for yourself. Then, you will KNOW. |
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Post by Wes Penre on May 22, 2020 17:29:56 GMT
About the fall of Sophia: Valentinianism is the most widespread and influential movement within Gnosticism. And in Valentinian Gnosticism there is talk of an Upper and a Lower Sophia (Wisdom). Where the Lower Sophia is called 'Achamoth'. And according to ‘The First Apocalypse of James’, Achamoth’s mother is Sophia: “Sophia (...) is the mother of Achamoth.” (First Apocalypse of James) All beings in the Upper Aeons are androgynous angels (i.e. both male and female), except Achamoth, who is female from a female: “Achamoth (...) is female from a female.” (First Apocalypse of James) In the Valentinian system described by Ptolemy, Sophia suffered because she attempted to know the entirety of the Father. Thus, she stretched herself outward, until she finally met with ‘the Limit’ (horos) since the Father cannot be known in his entirety. Through this ‘passion’, Sophia accidentally produced ‘Desire’, which fell outside the limit. Although Sophia was restored to the upper Pleroma, ‘Desire’ became Achamoth, the Sophia fallen to the Lower Aeons. That Achamoth came forth from Sophia: “When the Desire of the Sophia above, also called Achamoth, had been banished from the Pleroma above, by necessity she was cast with her passion in places of Shadow and the Void.” That Achamoth is ‘female from female’: “Since Sophia had undertaken an impossible and unattainable task, she brought forth (...Achamoth...) a thing such as (only) a female by herself can bear.” (Ptolemy from Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses) According to The First Apocalypse of James, Achamoth (Sophia) produced Yaldabaoth and the Archons without intercourse from the father: “the Pre-existent One did not have intercourse with her (Achamoth), when she produced them (the Archons).” (First Apocalypse of James) Achamoth (Sophia) did not have the consent of her consort, Christ (Thelètos), when she created Yaldabaoth: “She (Achamoth) produced you without a male, since she was alone (and) in ignorance as to what lives through her mother because she thought that she alone existed.” (First Apocalypse of James) Because she created alone, Achamoth (Sophia) produced a faulted being, Yaldabaoth, who was responsible for the material world, the Archons, the androgynous 2nd Adam, and the flesh-endowed 3rd Adam whom he eventually divided into Adam and Eve, and he was also responsible for their temptation and fall. Exactly! We're going to bring up all this, and more, in upcoming articles, but the above is spot on. There are 3 Sophias; 1) Pistis Sophia, who dwells in the Pleroma as an Aeon. 2) Zoe Sophia, dwelling in the 9th and 8th Heaven (Heaven the Orion Empire). She can descend but not ascend up into the Pleroma until the "Experiment" mentioned in the WPP is completed. Zoe is considered the soul/spirit aspect of Sophia, and she is the Orion Queen. 3) Achamoth, who is the "lowest Sophia," is the part of Sophia who descends into Yaldabaoth's/En.ki's Realm (Matrix/4% Universe) |
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Post by sirumoon on May 22, 2020 20:52:38 GMT
its always hard to tell what people are in those four types of "human"
like some people came from ai and they always look at their phone so they feel like their connected to home. some came from repetilians and act like they are better then everyone. the us has mostly young souls and the us has some dark cities, no wonder it seems like there are not many good people here. we came from all over the universe to this planet and evil beings are trying to kill us off or just controling us. even though there is more bad against us, we get a lot of help or els we would still be like little kids instead we are like a race of teen people. we understand things some what. im glad the souless people are usually out doing souless stuff like working at jobs that are only in grid skyscraper cities. they are cool to visit but they are crazy places. thats what i think from the stuff we are aloud to hear. like from chanelers
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Post by ANTAGONIST TRAD WITCH 🌹💙 on May 22, 2020 22:34:18 GMT
In one of my research papers I’ve found a diagram of the Aeons, called the Ogdoad, the Decad and the Dodecad. This diagram helped me a lot at the time to grasp and understand this complex matter. My thought here is that maybe it might make things a little bit more comprehensible for others. "The Supreme Divinity, the Monad, the Father, is called Bythos (Depth or Profundity), who is encompassed by Sigê or Ennoia (Silence or Idea). Through Sigê, the first Syzygy of Aeons, Nous/Alêtheia, emanated from Bythos. These gave birth to the second Syzygy, Logos/Zoê, which brought forth Anthrôpos/Ekklêsia. The first eight Aeons were called the Ogdoad. Logos/Zoê then brought forth another ten Aeons, termed the Decad. While Anthrôpos/Ekklêsia brought forth another twelve Aeons, termed the Dodecad. You can see the entire diagram of the Aeons below this post in an attachment. (click to enlarge)  ![]() According to the Gnostics, this world, the material cosmos, is the result of a primordial error on the part of a supra-cosmic, supremely divine being, usually called Sophia (Wisdom) or simply the Logos. This being is described as the final emanation of a divine hierarchy, called the Plêrôma or 'Fullness,' at the head of which resides the supreme God, the One beyond Being. The error of Sophia, which is usually identified as a reckless desire to know the transcendent God, leads to the achievement of her desire in the form of a semi-divine and essentially ignorant creature known as the Demiurge (Greek: dêmiourgos, 'craftsman'), or Jaldabaoth, who is responsible for the formation of the material cosmos. This act of craftsmanship is actually an imitation of the realm of the Pleroma, but the Demiurge is ignorant of this, and arrogantly declares himself the only existing God. From this point on, the gnostics began the general rejection of this world as a product of error and ignorance, and the presenting of a Higher World, to which the human soul will eventually return. 🌹💙 No disrespect intended here, but all of this is beginning to get real confusing to me, confusing to where it’s making me to want to just tune out, and set it all aside. I’m at the point to where I need concepts easy to understand. Please keep it simple and real. Sometimes, more is not better! 🌞🙏 |
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Post by sahib on May 22, 2020 23:17:07 GMT
Yes, I see what you mean. You are right. It's better to hold on to the line that Wes and Ariel are putting out. That's why I deleted my post.
I've been breaking my head over this since mid 90s when the first Nag Hammadi translations were getting published and when many years later Wes published his WPP, I finally saw the correlation between the two and then it became more clear to me. But I agree with you, it really is mind-breaking information. There are different interpretations over the years because Christianity and Gnosticism are sometimes complementary, but sometimes very contradictory. It may take some time before you can tell the two apart, at least that was the case with me. Just try to set up a basic understanding and then it gets easier and easier.
Wes and Ariel are very knowledgeable and often know how to explain complicated matters in a fairly simple way. But it comes down to our own intellectual capacity to translate all that into our own insights. That's also why they don't use images etc. I like to learn from them.
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Post by arka on May 23, 2020 0:20:56 GMT
Indeed, it is such an awesome complement to the WPP.
I'm still reading the WPP and I have started, last Oct to read the Nag Hammadi Scriptures.
Your articles helps a lot to clarify what is, when, why and how.
It feels to me that I become more and more awake, aware...
Wes
There no words to express my gratitude.
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Post by Wes Penre on May 23, 2020 1:19:34 GMT
Indeed, it is such an awesome complement to the WPP. I'm still reading the WPP and I have started, last Oct to read the Nag Hammadi Scriptures. Your articles helps a lot to clarify what is, when, why and how. It feels to me that I become more and more awake, aware... Wes There no words to express my gratitude. That is wonderful to hear, Arka. Yes, we feel the same about this material. It's blowing our minds. But this is just the beginning. More completely mind-blowing things in the following articles. |
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Post by lindi732 on May 23, 2020 1:31:22 GMT
I agree that the Gnostic texts can all become confusing and overwhelming. I’ve attempted Reading and trying to explore Gnosis, the various texts, and Gnosticism in the past, but didn’t get very far. In addition, I am again re-reading parts of the WPP, Level 4. Even the WPP’s can get overwhelming because there is so much to “digest”. I’m finding I now need to go back to Level 1 and maybe 2 because I’m still not “straight” and don’t remember somethings the way I thought I did. This is why I am really thankful that Wes and Ariel are making the Gnostic texts easier to comprehend.
A few years back, I would sit up for many nights listening to Scott Mandelker explain the gospel of Thomas in his YouTube videos. Over time, I gave up because of time restraints and it was just so much. However, I’m finding that Wes’ and Ariel’s articles are much easier to absorb and comprehend. I have a different resonance with their articles than I did listening to Mandelker. Plus, I’m in a “different place“ (so to speak) now than a few years back... Same with the WPP’s, so re-reading and listening resonate better.
With so much going on in this world right now, I find re-reading the WPP’s and now the articles on Gnosis very cathartic. Both the WPP’s and the texts bring me back to a different/better state of “Being” after dealing with daily “Patrix” people and issues. I’m reminded of who I am. Thank you, Wes and Ariel.
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