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Post by Ariel on Oct 6, 2018 23:35:43 GMT
FROM HER WEBSITE - "Studying the religions of the world, the cosmogonies, mythologies, philosophies, history, as well as the latest scientific developments in physics and astrophysics, through the Scriptures and the Sacred Texts, Ancient Greek Literature and a multitude of scientific, philosophical and historical writings, Angeliki Anagnostou has engaged herself in a titanic effort to merge all the common elements (that undoubtedly exist in the infinite ramifications of human knowledge) into one, cohesive, logical as well as extremely innovative and ground-breaking worldview, which in a ‘magical’ way answers all the great questions." canyoustandthetruth.com/
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Post by Joni on Jan 30, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
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Post by sicily on Jan 30, 2019 21:37:11 GMT
I guess we are to expect things like this to happen. People getting on the escape the grid bandwagon with a bit of a twist. Now it's a ransom to get out. Think this out. The first thing I felt reading it was fear. So now its, yeah you can escape the grid but....the queen is now dead, or in prison, or you need to give us a ransom, or maybe you need to be 100% free of attachments or you need to have a special sit down with the Lords of the underworld, or the Ascended masters and plead your case .....I could go on but I will not. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Jan 30, 2019 21:58:44 GMT
The video you linked here is actually quite interesting at times. And yes, it corresponds what we have said, too, about the splitting of the soul, etc. in the afterlife. There are truths in this video, if we compare it to my and Ariel's research. However, Angelika is basing her teachings on the Gnostic texts, which in itself is not a bad thing, but the Gnostic texts are tricky (tricky like in Trickster god/En.ki/EA/Lucifer and his son Thoth/Jesus). After having given us a lot of true information, Jesus/Thoth twists it around by telling us that Sophia/the Goddess, is the Fallen One, and Jesus is the savior coming from the Pleroma (the Fatherlands). Both the New Testament and the slightly more accurate Gnostic texts are just two more angles to lure people into reaching for "God's" realm, i.e. En.ki's,/ EA's h EAven. The entire blood sacrifice of Jesus was set up so that the believers will choose EA's hEAven before Satan's/Marduk's Hell (on Earth). There is no ransom to pay to get out of here--we just leave. Angelika talks about the 'blood ransom' we need to pay for the Lords of Karma/the Council to release us from further incarnations. Not so. Moreover, how can we pay a blood ransom if we appear before them as souls? Souls don't have blood. "The Christ came to pay the Ransom to the 'archon/ruler of this world' for Man's liberation, and only if the man/soul INVOKES this offering/sacrifice--the blood ransom--can he be allowed by the powers of this world to return to his Spiritual Fatherlands." --Quote from the video, 14:00. Notice that she says "Fatherlands." It's all still about the Matrix. Moreover, there are no "40 days" in the astral. There is no time in the astral as we look at time here. |
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Post by Ariel on Jan 30, 2019 22:30:20 GMT
I guess we are to expect things like this to happen. People getting on the escape the grid bandwagon with a bit of a twist. Now it's a ransom to get out. Think this out. The first thing I felt reading it was fear. So now its, yeah you can escape the grid but....the queen is now dead, or in prison, or you need to give us a ransom, or maybe you need to be 100% free of attachments or you need to have a special sit down with the Lords of the underworld, or the Ascended masters and plead your case .....I could go on but I will not. Exactly |
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Post by Ariel on Jan 30, 2019 22:34:40 GMT
How can a spiritual debt be paid by a physical ransom?
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Post by 1Human on Jan 30, 2019 23:53:44 GMT
How can a spiritual debt be paid by a physical ransom? okay ... fine... I have more to say. ( SURPRISE) I have not spent any time watching this video... but from the looks of the comments and links... I can clearly see the AIF are concerned that we are even "aware" of being able to leave the grid. So like most all things "spiritual" there is a price. In my imagination, the price is death, or whatever else will play on our deepest fears. "Oh now you think you can just leave? - here is the deal you must make". The "tricksters" are up to their usual games of grabbing a channel and having her say whatever will make us stay. Fear of death is a POWERFUL deterrent. |
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Post by Ariel on Jan 31, 2019 2:03:41 GMT
How can a spiritual debt be paid by a physical ransom? okay ... fine... I have more to say. ( SURPRISE) I have not spent any time watching this video... but from the looks of the comments and links... I can clearly see the AIF are concerned that we are even "aware" of being able to leave the grid. So like most all things "spiritual" there is a price. In my imagination, the price is death, or whatever else will play on our deepest fears. "Oh now you think you can just leave? - here is the deal you must make". The "tricksters" are up to their usual games of grabbing a channel and having her say whatever will make us stay. Fear of death is a POWERFUL deterrent. A ransom is a fee, a price, to be paid to release someone from their captivity. Why should I have to pay this? Of course, the whole thing is nonsensical. We are so manipulated, we've been convinced that we owe our captors the price for our own freedom. Well, some of us have been convinced. Not everyone. Who else has to pay the price for their own freedom? Every single slave that ever walked this planet throughout history. It's sad that humanity feels they have no more worth than to be a slave. Yes, fear does that to people. |
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Post by Joni on Jan 31, 2019 19:08:40 GMT
Replying to: How can a spiritual debt be paid by a physical ransom? What are the true sins of Man, for which he must repent? - Can you stand the Truth? 30 min video Angeliki's info talks about "Celestial Man" created the animals that in turn in this duality eat each other. The blood is the 'energy'... man then eats the 'blood' as well. (Those that still do that anyways). Chirst's blood breaks that circle. So Christ is not to judge this realm, or any realm, but was sent to undo what man himself has done, and to break mankind free. The Archons/gods eat of the flesh.... so does mankind...despicable, not to mention the cruelty of man to animals and this planet. So, it boils down to seeing what man is really made of, and are we responsible for the cruelty we do, even though masked by our cultural teachings? Is killing wrong, is eating animal flesh and blood wrong? Do the gods of this earth do such a thing?. . . When you discuss living a life here now best we can to Spiritually help others, once our eyes have been opened, do we not have to take responsibility for what we did in these flesh bodies? Are we robots, or are we responsible? Or, is it convenient to believe that we can waltz out of here, and out of this density we shall see/understand far more, THEN, do we feel regret, even without the AIF needing to persuade or send us back? I do not intend to EVER go where I lose my memory/Knowledge again. Is it narcissistic to think that since we were trapped here, we are not to be blamed for our actions once we know they are wrong? ++I appreciate this discussion and your inputs... I have to go just now...so will still respond to other replies here... thank you, each of you for responding. 1Human...you do need to watch the whole videos to understand the whole message.  |
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Post by Ariel on Jan 31, 2019 21:26:26 GMT
Replying to: How can a spiritual debt be paid by a physical ransom? What are the true sins of Man, for which he must repent? - Can you stand the Truth? 30 min video Angeliki's info talks about "Celestial Man" created the animals that in turn in this duality eat each other. The blood is the 'energy'... man then eats the 'blood' as well. (Those that still do that anyways). Chirst's blood breaks that circle. So Christ is not to judge this realm, or any realm, but was sent to undo what man himself has done, and to break mankind free. The Archons/gods eat of the flesh.... so does mankind...despicable, not to mention the cruelty of man to animals and this planet. So, it boils down to seeing what man is really made of, and are we responsible for the cruelty we do, even though masked by our cultural teachings? Is killing wrong, is eating animal flesh and blood wrong? Do the gods of this earth do such a thing?. . .
When you discuss living a life here now best we can to Spiritually help others, once our eyes have been opened, do we not have to take responsibility for what we did in these flesh bodies? Are we robots, or are we responsible? Or, is it convenient to believe that we can waltz out of here, and out of this density we shall see/understand far more, THEN, do we feel regret, even without the AIF needing to persuade or send us back? I do not intend to EVER go where I lose my memory/Knowledge again. Is it narcissistic to think that since we were trapped here, we are not to be blamed for our actions once we know they are wrong? ++I appreciate this discussion and your inputs... I have to go just now...so will still respond to other replies here... thank you, each of you for responding. 1Human...you do need to watch the whole videos to understand the whole message. We are responsible, ultimately, for EVERYTHING we do here. Acting in ignorance is one thing (that's why karma makes no sense - we are always ignorant when we are forced to forget), but acting with awareness is quite another. One key word in your post is blame. Who is blaming in this situation? Who do we give authority to, to pass judgement on us? If we allow them, the AIF will gladly blame us and point out all our wrong-doings. If we allow them, we will accept the consequences/punishment they bestow on us. That's one option. Repeat another life cycle to correct those mistakes, although you won't remember what those mistakes were or how you felt about them, so good luck in not repeating them. Another is to blame yourself. We do that quite a lot, don't we? We tend to beat ourselves up over our own mistakes. Only you can determine if you will forgive yourself or condemn yourself. Your choice. Another thing people might want to consider is if they will be held accountable for their actions once they leave here. Wes has mentioned that there are some things we will be held responsible for once we have become aware of our situation, YES. |
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Post by Joni on Feb 1, 2019 4:02:44 GMT
Sure we can forgive ourself when we murder another, however, that life we took is still gone. So how do we make up for the loss? We can't. So we teach ourselves a new way of relieving ourself the 'blame' perhaps. I am saying that the message of the true Christ is to pay that debt for us, those things we cannot make right. In other words, because we didn't sign up for the memory loss game, we can't be fully responsible for the ignorant things we do in this density. The Christ message is that he evens that score. There are 2 stories of Christ, the Thoth side that perhaps leads those that follow it right back in the recycle game, the other, the one I think Angeliki is trying to show is the true Christ who takes the irresponsibility of man and cleans the slate, so that the AIF cannot condemn us.
In the above video, Angeliki is saying Celestial Man has the responsibility of creating the animals and setting the dog eat dog cycle in motion, however, neither you or I can stop it now. She's saying Christ came to stop it. However, we must recognize that for ourselves. The whole guilt/karma idea is the recycle wagon, which I am not getting back on. The human willingness to continue to kill and eat, perpetuating the animal cycle and the millions of gallons of blood shed each day for man's love of slaughtering animal meat only feeds the archons/AIF. Or another way of saying is that we have to reconcile that we ARE from the lovely reptilian DNA ancestry and act like it. For every bit of Light we have, we also have the darkness to reconcile, it's the balance of this duality.
I am searching out to what level we hold responsibility, and to what level we are not capable of reconciling, BECAUSE we lose our memories, and so boo hoo for the earthlings, or was there a ransom paid, to even the score? All this is for everyone's consideration.
So, thank you again for your replies.
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Post by Joni on Feb 1, 2019 5:42:28 GMT
Regarding what Angeliki refers to as the "Holy Fatherlands"
"Every plain Soul however, has the freedom to choose: either to remain in this world forever, accepting the presents of its god/ creator, or to ask to be ‘filled’/ completed with Spirit from the Immaculate FatherLands (HyperUniverses). (p. 145). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera.
Through this ‘image-giving process’, I will present to you the Territories of Dominion of The Supreme One, The Unspoken.
These Territories are infinite. They are The HyperUniverses of the Unsplit True Light.
28 CHALDEAN ORACLES, A. I., GRAVIGGER, P., PROCLUS IN PLATO, KROLL 31- PLACES (p. 107) «For this is the light which is above the empyrean world (the world of fire), which is A Unit (Monad), before the triad of the empyrean, the aetheric and the hylic (material) world.
» Everything There is Whole, Complete. Concepts are Unsplit. There is no good, simply because there is no evil. There is no justice, simply because there is no injustice. There is no dyadicism (duality).
(p. 57). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
"Today man is the principle source of energy-catering for all energy-beings (gods, daemons and astral skeptomorphs). A lot depends and a lot is at stake from this energy-supply and, as we will analyze later in our discussion, a lot of ‘games are being masterminded’ behind man’s back. Therefore, to avoid the danger of the Celestial Children’s escape, the creator (the archon of this world) decides there is only one solution: Man should stop desiring to return to his Holy HomeLand. This could only be accomplished one way: HE SHOULD STOP REMEMBERING THE HOLY FATHERLAND (Gr.: Α-ΛΗΘΗ-Α = The Truth is attained when we cease to forget). And how would He stop remembering? Only if He were to be subjected to a spiritual ‘lobotomy’; and how would this be possible? Simply: by His division in two.
323 Plato’s Symposium: «… For ‘man-woman’ was then a unity, common both in form and in name, composed of both male and female …Zeus… said: “I will slice every one of them in two, so that they are made weaker.» From One Unified (complete) Wholeness (male + female = ONE) HE would be split in two.
Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth? The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (pp. 298-299). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
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Post by Joni on Feb 1, 2019 5:55:33 GMT
Regarding the Ransom:
Quoting from her book:
"Today, the initial concepts of Christianity are lost. The Unutterable Principle of the HyperUniverses –The Supreme Father of the Christ– has been equated to the ‘archon of this world’, the creator of matter, the snake; the ‘Creator of heaven and earth, of the visible and the invisible (higher-frequency matter).’
The Monogenes (Singly-Born) Christ (Luminary), in order to save His Celestial Children, who are trapped in the prison of material bodies and serve in the captivity of the snake as slaves, offered the ‘sap of the pain’ (the energy produced by His suffering) of His Sacrifice as ransom to the ‘archon of this world’.
72 A) The Apocryphon of John, The Gnostic Society Library: (Jesus said): «And I entered into the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. And I said, He who hears, let him get up from the deep sleep!» [Eng. tr. from Coptic: Frederik Wisse] Celestial Man is imprisoned in the material body.
B) Gospel of Philip, Jean-Yves Leloup: «§ 13. High spiritual Powers (the Archon) wanted to deceive Man (Celestial Man), because they saw goodness engendered in Him. They took the name for goodness and applied it to what was not good: words became deceitful, and (since) then they are joined to that which is without being and without goodness. They alienate with simulations and appearances: they make a free person into a slave.» [Eng. tr. Joseph Rowe]
C) The Gospel of Matthew, Ch. 20: «§ 28. Because the Son of Man did not come to be served/ ministered but to serve and to give His Life as Ransom for many.» After the ransom payment by the Christ, man (if he so chooses) is free from his karma and from the karma administrator, Lucifer.
Anagnostou - Kalogera, Angeliki. Can You Stand The Truth? The Chronicle of Man's Imprisonment: Last Call! (p. 102). Angeliki Anagnostou - Kalogera. Kindle Edition.
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Post by Wes Penre on Feb 1, 2019 16:17:40 GMT
Sure we can forgive ourself when we murder another, however, that life we took is still gone. So how do we make up for the loss? We can't. So we teach ourselves a new way of relieving ourself the 'blame' perhaps. I am saying that the message of the true Christ is to pay that debt for us, those things we cannot make right. In other words, because we didn't sign up for the memory loss game, we can't be fully responsible for the ignorant things we do in this density. The Christ message is that he evens that score. There are 2 stories of Christ, the Thoth side that perhaps leads those that follow it right back in the recycle game, the other, the one I think Angeliki is trying to show is the true Christ who takes the irresponsibility of man and cleans the slate, so that the AIF cannot condemn us.
In the above video, Angeliki is saying Celestial Man has the responsibility of creating the animals and setting the dog eat dog cycle in motion, however, neither you or I can stop it now. She's saying Christ came to stop it. However, we must recognize that for ourselves. The whole guilt/karma idea is the recycle wagon, which I am not getting back on. The human willingness to continue to kill and eat, perpetuating the animal cycle and the millions of gallons of blood shed each day for man's love of slaughtering animal meat only feeds the archons/AIF. Or another way of saying is that we have to reconcile that we ARE from the lovely reptilian DNA ancestry and act like it. For every bit of Light we have, we also have the darkness to reconcile, it's the balance of this duality.
I am searching out to what level we hold responsibility, and to what level we are not capable of reconciling, BECAUSE we lose our memories, and so boo hoo for the earthlings, or was there a ransom paid, to even the score? All this is for everyone's consideration.
So, thank you again for your replies. Hi Joni. Yes, I can see your viewpoint, and I think your personal interpretation and insights on this subject are much more profound than what the Gnostics and Angelika have concluded. I haven't read Angelika's book, but I've seen discussions about her work on forums, and I've read articles on her website. Although I agree with certain parts of her teachings, which are gnostic in nature, and some of her interpretations, there are many parts I do not agree with--but that's based on MY research, of course, and what I have concluded so far. Both the Gnostics and Angelika do not acknowledge a feminine universe but promote a masculine one. Yes, Angelika does say there is a Father and a Mother in One, which I can partly agree with, but she puts the Father God on top. She also promotes that we must go into the GOLDEN light instead of the WHITE light when we die, and this is extremely misleading and will pull her readers right back into the Matrix again. There are things mixed into her teaching that are steering people away from exiting, whether she does that consciously or is misled--I don't know. I can look at the subject at hand as a metaphor, and then it makes more sense. But ONLY if a person also knows the true exit route...if they don't, not even the metaphor is helpful. And nowhere in the Gnostic texts or in Angelika's book is the exit point mentioned. En.ki and Thoth are "trickster gods," and they know what they're doing. The world as we know it right now is soon going to change drastically for those who stay. Some will go to the Singularity (Marduk's realm) while others will go to h EAven. And En.ki does have a contract with his Mother to let souls evolve, and all signs show he's working on evolving us (in his way)--even if it's just for his own benefit and grandiosity. We don't know En.ki's ultimate plans. Will he eventually let evolved souls free and send them to Orion, or will he create his own "Orion" where he can be God (a new mimic), without Marduk's influence? A false "Heaven" still controlled by him? So far, he HAS sent souls back to Orion, but only souls that are so sucked out of life force that they are almost in coma, when he'd promised to send evolved souls back. He's kept the awakening ones within his Matrix. What I'm saying is that it makes sense that En.ki is planning to change the current paradigm, based on what history is telling us. This biological simulation is coming to an end, regardless whether we go Marduk's or En.ki's route. We know Marduk's plans fairly well, but we are not as sure about En.ki's, other than there will be a huge paradigm shift, and part of that might be to release us from past 'karma', in order to start something new... Just my thoughts. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Feb 1, 2019 16:55:47 GMT
Another thing that is important to understand is that this is an Experiment, whether it's En.ki's modification of it or if we're talking about the original Experiment. We are here to learn and to graduate, i.e. we will make all different kinds of choices while being in the process--even bad choices where we hurt each other and do things that are non-survival. That is "ok," because we are supposed to grow out of it.
Therefore, the important thing is not what we have done in the "past." What is important is, "who am I right now?" Am I still a thief, murderer, a self-centered jerk, or whatnot, or have I grown out of that? All the guilt and shame based on past experiences is just more of the artificial soul construct, with which we have been set up to feel this way in order for the Lords of Karma to be able to recycle us with our consent. The soul is (hopefully) learning and growing in awareness and responsibility, and everything in between is a part of the process. But where do we end up? As more enlightened beings, or do we end up worse than we were let's say 500 years ago? That's what needs to be considered. This is why karma in the sense of shame and guilt is a trap and a setup. The pure soul, stripped of the artificial soul, doesn't think in terms of karma, shame and guilt--she thinks in terms of learning, experience, creations, progress, responsibility, etc.
Another thing is that the Gnostics did not have the information about the holes in the Grid because there were no holes. Not even most of today's researchers, such as Angelika, have this information. To my knowledge, I am the only one who had this info, until others started doing their own research and come to the same conclusion. Both Thoth and all other ancient texts talk about the Guardians and the Council, whom you had to "prove yourself" in order to graduate from En.ki's Matrix. If you didn't pass the test, you were sent back to the recycling center. I am talking about souls in the past, who've tried to exit because they didn't want to reincarnate again, and they did not go to the Light. These souls were met by these Guards.
Like Ariel said, mythology and texts are full of example of how people need to answer riddles in order to pass a certain point; e.g. Grimms fairytales, and even Tolkien when Bilbo did the riddle game with Gollum in The Hobbit..trolls sitting under the bridge, not letting anyone pass until they answer the riddles...Emerald Tablets...it goes on and on. And throughout history, the Guardians have not let anybody pass them, because by their standards, no one has "deserved" to exit the Matrix.
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Post by Ariel on Feb 1, 2019 18:35:45 GMT
Sure we can forgive ourself when we murder another, however, that life we took is still gone. So how do we make up for the loss? We can't. So we teach ourselves a new way of relieving ourself the 'blame' perhaps. I am saying that the message of the true Christ is to pay that debt for us, those things we cannot make right. In other words, because we didn't sign up for the memory loss game, we can't be fully responsible for the ignorant things we do in this density. The Christ message is that he evens that score. There are 2 stories of Christ, the Thoth side that perhaps leads those that follow it right back in the recycle game, the other, the one I think Angeliki is trying to show is the true Christ who takes the irresponsibility of man and cleans the slate, so that the AIF cannot condemn us.
In the above video, Angeliki is saying Celestial Man has the responsibility of creating the animals and setting the dog eat dog cycle in motion, however, neither you or I can stop it now. She's saying Christ came to stop it. However, we must recognize that for ourselves. The whole guilt/karma idea is the recycle wagon, which I am not getting back on. The human willingness to continue to kill and eat, perpetuating the animal cycle and the millions of gallons of blood shed each day for man's love of slaughtering animal meat only feeds the archons/AIF. Or another way of saying is that we have to reconcile that we ARE from the lovely reptilian DNA ancestry and act like it. For every bit of Light we have, we also have the darkness to reconcile, it's the balance of this duality.
I am searching out to what level we hold responsibility, and to what level we are not capable of reconciling, BECAUSE we lose our memories, and so boo hoo for the earthlings, or was there a ransom paid, to even the score? All this is for everyone's consideration.
So, thank you again for your replies. determine your own level of responsibility, in my opinion. There are many, many people on this planet who would rather do anything than accept personal responsibility for their own thoughts and behavior. In fact, that's pretty normal from what I've experienced. Believing that there are parts of yourself that are not within your control (original sin/karma) allows you to put personal responsiblity at the feet of someone else who is willing to pay for your mistakes (Christ?). To me, that creates a perpetual cycle of guilt and shame that someone else should pay my price because I am so weak and ignorant that I have no other choice. In other words, I am a sinner no matter how hard I try to be good. What a terrible state I would be in if I felt this way! No, I choose to accept personal repsonsiblity for myself. I am responsible for my own choices here. I do not need anyone to pay a price for me. I, also, do not accept responsiblity for the whole of humanity. Each is free to choose for themselves. I will not allow anyone to lay the blame for the entire human soul group on my head. I realize that what I do affects those around me, but it's up to others to come to the same knowledge and understanding. If they do not, then that is not my personal responsibility. I do what I can, within the boundary of Freewill, but it's up to others to take responsbility for themselves. I refuse to pay a price for other's mistakes. At one time, I took on the responsiblity of others around me VERY MUCH! I thought it was up to me to make sure everyone was doing what they should. It was my job to remind them to make the right choices. Nope. Those were hardcore, emotional wounds that were in control of me, at the time. It took me a very, very long time to be able to say I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHOICES. <it's still hard> lol I think if we are to determine that a ransom needs to be paid, we need to look at who is the one collecting that ransom? Are they the same ones telling us to pay that ransom? That's a little stinky, in my opinion. If the only one telling me I need to pay a price for my freedom is the one holding the door closed, I'm not buying it. Sorry, but I think I'd rather tear down a wall rather than use that door. Just my opinion. This is such an interesting discussion, Joni. Thank you  |
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Post by Joni on Feb 1, 2019 18:39:01 GMT
I appreciate your kind response Wes. I agree with the 'who am I right now?' view point. Understanding where "I" come from, my 'template' is going to determine my choices and where I am going from here. When I listen to your videos on exiting the grid, (much appreciated!), you define what the KHAA will look like, but who will be there? Which races, the Sirians, Arcturians, Pleadians, all, or above that? Your choice to go 'back' to Orion, where the Queen is, how do you know you are from Orion? This is the place I am at now... defining where I come from and where I should be going. I'll go look at the WPP to see if I've missed these answers.
As always, I appreciate your sharing your Knowledge and research.
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Post by Joni on Feb 1, 2019 18:57:56 GMT
Yes, thank you Ariel, I gain much from digging in to such conversations. I agree with you that I am not responsible for what others do, nor for making them change when they are not ready to see that change or evolution is needed. However, what I am saying here is that we all participate in a blood planet by the cyclical life and death part of the duality system . . . that is of the garden of good and evil, that is taught that we made the 'choice' to participate in, thus we are responsible for the damage caused. Angeliki's book throws in that Celestial Man created the animals to eat and kill each other as part of the cycle, the 'enslaved' man is now a part of that cycle so how do we break the cycle as a 'group'? So the Queen's experiment can succeed? So many inputs on wanting humans to evolve, yet we are in shackles. Thus exiting the grid, and escaping this scene, however, it leaves behind this blood planet that destroys itself. I'd like to think I am here to awaken from the shackles and turn that 'ship around' so the saying goes. Those that will see they can be sovereign and break any and all old contracts can do so and then watch the dark entities scatter/dissolve. I am trying now to understand timelines, and dimensions, and truly from whence I came, so I know where I want to go from here.
Thank you for your research and replies, I appreciate the free thought!
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Post by Wes Penre on Feb 1, 2019 19:20:02 GMT
I appreciate your kind response Wes. I agree with the 'who am I right now?' view point. Understanding where "I" come from, my 'template' is going to determine my choices and where I am going from here. When I listen to your videos on exiting the grid, (much appreciated!), you define what the KHAA will look like, but who will be there? Which races, the Sirians, Arcturians, Pleadians, all, or above that? Your choice to go 'back' to Orion, where the Queen is, how do you know you are from Orion? This is the place I am at now... defining where I come from and where I should be going. I'll go look at the WPP to see if I've missed these answers. As always, I appreciate your sharing your Knowledge and research. In the KHAA, all possible star races roam...it's the real universe, compared to ours, which is a construct with the purpose to keep us ignorant and locked out. This is why there is no future for this Matrix. We're either in it the way it is now, or the way the "gods" choose to reconstruct it, or we're out. There is no middle way--no paradise to look forward to because it doesn't matter how we look at it--it's built and constructed to keep us trapped. The original Tiamaat--our true planet--was not constructed like that. We were planet-bound but still had full access to the dimensions, and we could nano-travel. The human soul group was born on Tiamaat--the planet, but we are from Orion in the sense that the Queen, from whose Spirit we're created (splinters or her), is from Orion. If we leave this construct, it would be logical to "go home," i.e. to Orion. The Queen is us, and we are the Queen, but individuated units of consciousness, with our own personality that we've developed through individual experiences. So yes, there are Arcturians, Sirians, Pleiadians, Andromedans...you name it. These are just a few we happen to know about. There are probably quadrillion other star races as well, and more being born all the time. Creation is expanding. How do I know this? There are references to this in the ancient texts, but I also were in contact with beings from the KHAA while doing my research. Particularly one of them, I talked to on a daily basis for about 6 years--I came to know him very well. I am not channeling...this is a star being, incarnated in a human body. |
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Post by Ariel on Feb 1, 2019 19:42:43 GMT
Yes, thank you Ariel, I gain much from digging in to such conversations. I agree with you that I am not responsible for what others do, nor for making them change when they are not ready to see that change or evolution is needed. However, what I am saying here is that we all participate in a blood planet by the cyclical life and death part of the duality system . . . that is of the garden of good and evil, that is taught that we made the 'choice' to participate in, thus we are responsible for the damage caused. Angeliki's book throws in that Celestial Man created the animals to eat and kill each other as part of the cycle, the 'enslaved' man is now a part of that cycle so how do we break the cycle as a 'group'? So the Queen's experiment can succeed? So many inputs on wanting humans to evolve, yet we are in shackles. Thus exiting the grid, and escaping this scene, however, it leaves behind this blood planet that destroys itself. I'd like to think I am here to awaken from the shackles and turn that 'ship around' so the saying goes. Those that will see they can be sovereign and break any and all old contracts can do so and then watch the dark entities scatter/dissolve. I am trying now to understand timelines, and dimensions, and truly from whence I came, so I know where I want to go from here. Thank you for your research and replies, I appreciate the free thought! If we go by Wes' research, and I do, so I can't be completely unbiased or objective here, unfortunately. I do like to understand other's perspectives, though, and I respect yours. I want you to know that. THIS Earth was not the Garden of Eden. So, we are not damaging anything or spoiling anything other than an inferior copy of an original design that was Tiamat. Yes, this is a blood planet, you are certainly correct about that! However, that's the construct and the design that Enki decided to create for us. The experiment is not this planet, the experiment is US. In other words, can we survive this environment with our soul intact and better yet, grow from the experience to gain a higher perspective of understanding and compassion? That is what is meant by evolvement, at least when we refer to it (Wes and I). We should feel no shame or regret to leave this matrix behind. Yes, this planet will eventually destroy itself. That is a guarantee. The choice is whether we want to stay and be witness to that or not. ^^^That is the true question, isn't it? That is at the heart of all soul-searching, in my opinion. |
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