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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 18:08:56 GMT
What is important to understand is that ultimately there is no 'God" or 'Goddess' or 'Divine Feminine' who we belong to or supposed to join or merge with. Yes, those creatures could be the initiators of the manifested worlds, they could be even the ones who initiated/manifested our souls, but they themselves are also only forms. We are all only forms of Awareness, none of us, including any 'gods' or 'goddesses', 'owns' any other beings here. Ultimately there is no hierarchy at all, there are only seeming/false hierarchies. And we are, each of us, can also be initiators and creators of the worlds once we regain our full abilities, we all have the same powers.
But here is a catch: any claim that there is hierarchy, that there are any ruler/creator entities with whatever privileges they claim to have, is a lie. That makes me to be very suspicious to any ruled hierarchical structures, especially if they "want" something from us: our participation, cooperation, trust, faith etc. So, whatever you guys decide with respect to the Orion and the Queen is your own free choice. Just be careful. My advice is: do not accept/participate in any hierarchical societies or systems. Here is the reason why. Any truly honest and spiritually evolved creature would never care about holding power or being held at any high position in a hierarchy, will never call him/herself a Queen/King/God/Goddess even if he/she was the original initiator of some parts of this universe. Any creature holding to high position of hierarchy and power is obviously lacking a spiritual maturity and is driven by desires to control or rule, to be respected or upheld etc that are so typical for spiritually immature creatures. Truly spiritually mature creatures simply do not care about those things. They can be good advisors and helpers, but just would not care about being on top of any hierarchies. Same argument also applies to those who has an unconscious desire to participate in or submit to any hierarchies - this reveals a spiritual immaturity, lack of self-sufficiency and knowledge of his/her own freedom and abilities. This is ok, we are all evolving and going through various levels of maturity, it's just that those less mature souls often get stuck in co-dependent hierarchical structures/societies and easily fall prey to them.
So could the Divine Feminine and her aspect-Queen/Sophia be the creator of this universe where we are now? By all means yes. Does that mean that she is a spiritually mature creature? Not at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that she is bad or evil, she may be way better and more mature compared to Enki, but may still be immature and far from perfect. Now, are we inseparable parts of her? Not at all. We are all equal parts/forms of the Awareness (Awareness is not God/Goddess, it's just the conscious substance of the world.) That means that ultimately we are free from any affiliation or connection to any Gods/Goddesses, in our very Spirit/essence we are totally free and on our own. It does not matter where and by whom we were initiated/created. If I'm born in a country by some parents and I have a citizenship there this does not mean that I belong to my parents or that country and I'm obliged or supposed to always stay or return there. We can always choose to join/participate in any societies, be they of hierarchical or non-hierarchical structure, or we can choose to be totally free and on our own. But my personal choice is - I'm out of any hierarchies, to me they are just immature social systems created by and made of immature souls, below here on Earth as above anywhere in the universe.
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 18:54:55 GMT
And another thing:
There are consequences when we choose to play or want to play in the lower dimensional realms, including material. Because the resources are scarce and survival is harder it is very hard to survive there on our own so we have to join a community. Also, typically less mature souls tend to play in these dense realms because those are the places where sensual desires can be fulfilled more easily and fully. Therefore we would inevitably participate in a society where the majority of souls are immature, and the consequence is that those societies will inevitably have hierarchical structures. This is exactly what we see here on Earth and it is likely the case in most (if not all) other soul groups or species in the lower levels of the Universe, even including the KHAA. So if you want to be fully free and out of any hierarchical structures then the lower dimensions is just a wrong place for you to be in.
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Post by Wes Penre on Oct 21, 2019 19:21:03 GMT
What is important to understand is that ultimately there is no 'God" or 'Goddess' or 'Divine Feminine' who we belong to or supposed to join or merge with. Yes, those creatures could be the initiators of the manifested worlds, they could be even the ones who initiated/manifested our souls, but they themselves are also only forms. We are all only forms of Awareness, none of us, including any 'gods' or 'goddesses', 'owns' any other beings here. Ultimately there is no hierarchy at all, there are only seeming/false hierarchies. And we are, each of us, can also be initiators and creators of the worlds once we regain our full abilities, we all have the same powers. But here is a catch: any claim that there is hierarchy, that there are any ruler/creator entities with whatever privileges they claim to have, is a lie. That makes me to be very suspicious to any ruled hierarchical structures, especially if they "want" something from us: our participation, cooperation, trust, faith etc. So, whatever you guys decide with respect to the Orion and the Queen is your own free choice. Just be careful. My advice is: do not accept/participate in any hierarchical societies or systems. Here is the reason why. Any truly honest and spiritually evolved creature would never care about holding power or being held at any high position in a hierarchy, will never call him/herself a Queen/King/God/Goddess even if he/she was the original initiator of some parts of this universe. Any creature holding to high position of hierarchy and power is obviously lacking a spiritual maturity and is driven by desires to control or rule, to be respected or upheld etc that are so typical for spiritually immature creatures. Truly spiritually mature creatures simply do not care about those things. They can be good advisors and helpers, but just would not care about being on top of any hierarchies. Same argument also applies to those who has an unconscious desire to participate in or submit to any hierarchies - this reveals a spiritual immaturity, lack of self-sufficiency and knowledge of his/her own freedom and abilities. This is ok, we are all evolving and going through various levels of maturity, it's just that those less mature souls often get stuck in co-dependent hierarchical structures/societies and easily fall prey to them. So could the Divine Feminine and her aspect-Queen/Sophia be the creator of this universe where we are now? By all means yes. Does that mean that she is a spiritually mature creature? Not at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that she is bad or evil, she may be way better and more mature compared to Enki, but may still be immature and far from perfect. Now, are we inseparable parts of her? Not at all. We are all equal parts/forms of the Awareness (Awareness is not God/Goddess, it's just the conscious substance of the world.) That means that ultimately we are free from any affiliation or connection to any Gods/Goddesses, in our very Spirit/essence we are totally free and on our own. It does not matter where and by whom we were initiated/created. If I'm born in a country by some parents and I have a citizenship there this does not mean that I belong to my parents or that country and I'm obliged or supposed to always stay or return there. We can always choose to join/participate in any societies, be they of hierarchical or non-hierarchical structure, or we can choose to be totally free and on our own. But my personal choice is - I'm out of any hierarchies, to me they are just immature social systems created by and made of immature souls, below here on Earth as above anywhere in the universe. If we look up the etymology (root) of the word "queen," we find many different meanings. We find the usual ones, being ruler, female ruler, etc., but here are two other meanings: Old Norse kvaen, Gothic quens), ablaut variant of *kwenon (source of quean), from PIE root *gwen- "woman." The original sense seems to have been "wife," specialized by Old English to "wife of a king." In Old Norse, still mostly of a wife generally, as in kvan-fang "marriage, taking of a wife... www.etymonline.com/word/queen We are talking about spiritual maturity etc., but are we really more spiritually "mature" than those with a greater understanding of life and the Universe? When we think of Queen, we usually think of Queen Elizabeth, etc.--the "evil rulers." But when it comes to the Queen of the Stars, why doesn't "Woman of the stars" or "wife of a king" apply (King here being King/Khan En.lil, who indeed was the King of Sirius = ruler, which those who have read the WPP know)? We are still stuck in 3-D thinking here and our reactive mind (A=A=A, which means one thing is the same as another thing, which is the same as the thirds thing, and so on...). One of the first things I learned when I wrote the papers that there is no hierarchy in Orion. |
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Post by Ariel on Oct 21, 2019 19:22:48 GMT
I wonder if the word Queen is the trigger word here that people are reacting to? What if we said Mother? Is that still triggering a reaction to heirarchy? Does Mother have the same type of negative association?
Is the word King and Father just as triggering or is the reaction coming from a reaction to femininity and all that it represents?
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Post by Gabriel on Oct 21, 2019 20:00:16 GMT
What is important to understand is that ultimately there is no 'God" or 'Goddess' or 'Divine Feminine' who we belong to or supposed to join or merge with. Yes, those creatures could be the initiators of the manifested worlds, they could be even the ones who initiated/manifested our souls, but they themselves are also only forms. We are all only forms of Awareness, none of us, including any 'gods' or 'goddesses', 'owns' any other beings here. Ultimately there is no hierarchy at all, there are only seeming/false hierarchies. And we are, each of us, can also be initiators and creators of the worlds once we regain our full abilities, we all have the same powers. But here is a catch: any claim that there is hierarchy, that there are any ruler/creator entities with whatever privileges they claim to have, is a lie. That makes me to be very suspicious to any ruled hierarchical structures, especially if they "want" something from us: our participation, cooperation, trust, faith etc. So, whatever you guys decide with respect to the Orion and the Queen is your own free choice. Just be careful. My advice is: do not accept/participate in any hierarchical societies or systems. Here is the reason why. Any truly honest and spiritually evolved creature would never care about holding power or being held at any high position in a hierarchy, will never call him/herself a Queen/King/God/Goddess even if he/she was the original initiator of some parts of this universe. Any creature holding to high position of hierarchy and power is obviously lacking a spiritual maturity and is driven by desires to control or rule, to be respected or upheld etc that are so typical for spiritually immature creatures. Truly spiritually mature creatures simply do not care about those things. They can be good advisors and helpers, but just would not care about being on top of any hierarchies. Same argument also applies to those who has an unconscious desire to participate in or submit to any hierarchies - this reveals a spiritual immaturity, lack of self-sufficiency and knowledge of his/her own freedom and abilities. This is ok, we are all evolving and going through various levels of maturity, it's just that those less mature souls often get stuck in co-dependent hierarchical structures/societies and easily fall prey to them. So could the Divine Feminine and her aspect-Queen/Sophia be the creator of this universe where we are now? By all means yes. Does that mean that she is a spiritually mature creature? Not at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that she is bad or evil, she may be way better and more mature compared to Enki, but may still be immature and far from perfect. Now, are we inseparable parts of her? Not at all. We are all equal parts/forms of the Awareness (Awareness is not God/Goddess, it's just the conscious substance of the world.) That means that ultimately we are free from any affiliation or connection to any Gods/Goddesses, in our very Spirit/essence we are totally free and on our own. It does not matter where and by whom we were initiated/created. If I'm born in a country by some parents and I have a citizenship there this does not mean that I belong to my parents or that country and I'm obliged or supposed to always stay or return there. We can always choose to join/participate in any societies, be they of hierarchical or non-hierarchical structure, or we can choose to be totally free and on our own. But my personal choice is - I'm out of any hierarchies, to me they are just immature social systems created by and made of immature souls, below here on Earth as above anywhere in the universe. If we look up the etymology (root) of the word "queen," we find many different meanings. We find the usual ones, being ruler, female ruler, etc., but here are two other meanings: Old Norse kvaen, Gothic quens), ablaut variant of *kwenon (source of quean), from PIE root *gwen- "woman." The original sense seems to have been "wife," specialized by Old English to "wife of a king." In Old Norse, still mostly of a wife generally, as in kvan-fang "marriage, taking of a wife... www.etymonline.com/word/queen We are talking about spiritual maturity etc., but are we really more spiritually "mature" than those with a greater understanding of life and the Universe? When we think of Queen, we usually think of Queen Elizabeth, etc.--the "evil rulers." But when it comes to the Queen of the Stars, why doesn't "Woman of the stars" or "wife of a king" apply (King here being King/Khan En.lil, who indeed was the King of Sirius = ruler, which those who have read the WPP know)? We are still stuck in 3-D thinking here and our reactive mind (A=A=A, which means one thing is the same as another thing, which is the same as the thirds thing, and so on...). One of the first things I learned when I wrote the papers that there is no hierarchy in Orion. Wes, Queen (from this 3D standpoint), feels like it points to a titleship like a CEO of a company. Mother is much more different, more like you can go to her for anything...she understands you kinda way. |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 20:22:31 GMT
I wonder if the word Queen is the trigger word here that people are reacting to? Yes, it is. But it's not only how she is called, but also what she and her offsprings (including Enki) did and keep doing. The very story of creation points to the Mother's lack of maturity. At the beginning she did not know anything at all, did not know herself, had no experience. Basically, she was a new-born child wanted to experience and learn. So she, through her aspect "Sophia", figured that she can manifest the worlds and thought that she can know herself better and gain some knowledge through experiencing those manifestations. She had no clue what will be the consequences of that and she was unprepared to deal with them. Also, think of her desire to expand and experiment in low energy dimensions. That all to me qualifies to be called spiritual immaturity. Again, this is not something bad or evil, what else would you expect from a newly born creature? It's just immature, childish. So this is even beyond hierarchies, it goes to the core character of the Goddess herself. But like with our parents, we can always keep good relationships with them but do not have to be under their control or even their influence or protection, and we can out-grow and out-mature them. |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 20:33:20 GMT
Again, having an unbiased understanding of our parents' character traits and their level of maturity does not mean attacking them or non loving them. True love is free and can only be where there is no bias, attachment, aversion or dependency.
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 20:48:02 GMT
My parents were far from perfect, especially my father had bad addictions and did a lot of harm to the family. But I still love them. However, now once I'm grown and independent, I would not live with them in the same house. Now, if they would be more mature than I probably could live with them. Same thing applies to the Goddess. We need to look at her and her maturity level and character traits from unbiased perspective without any affection or hatred and carefully think if her house it really the place we want to live in. Some may very well choose to go there if her image and her empire resonates with them, but others may as well choose not to.
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 21:04:26 GMT
Me again  I think that people react not only to the "Queen" word that resonates with hierarchy archetype, but also with the "Goddess" word that resonates with religious archetype of a perfect all-knowing all-powerful creator. Both associations are likely not true and not applicable to the "Mother" the way she really is. Including the fact that she may be far from perfect, fully mature, all-knowing and all powerful. Once we settle with this more realistic perspective on her then we can deal with her in an unbiased way without extremes of either going into wars with her or falling into dependency on her. |
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Post by sahib on Oct 21, 2019 21:34:27 GMT
If we look up the etymology (root) of the word "queen," we find many different meanings. We find the usual ones, being ruler, female ruler, etc., but here are two other meanings: Old Norse kvaen, Gothic quens), ablaut variant of *kwenon (source of quean), from PIE root *gwen- "woman." The original sense seems to have been "wife," specialized by Old English to "wife of a king." In Old Norse, still mostly of a wife generally, as in kvan-fang "marriage, taking of a wife... www.etymonline.com/word/queen We are talking about spiritual maturity etc., but are we really more spiritually "mature" than those with a greater understanding of life and the Universe? When we think of Queen, we usually think of Queen Elizabeth, etc.--the "evil rulers." But when it comes to the Queen of the Stars, why doesn't "Woman of the stars" or "wife of a king" apply (King here being King/Khan En.lil, who indeed was the King of Sirius = ruler, which those who have read the WPP know)? We are still stuck in 3-D thinking here and our reactive mind (A=A=A, which means one thing is the same as another thing, which is the same as the thirds thing, and so on...). One of the first things I learned when I wrote the papers that there is no hierarchy in Orion. Very well said and explained Wes. I've never seen 'our' Queen as a ruler, I've never felt the urge of worshipping her either, She just is, as I am! In my country we've had many Queens as head of our country, but I've never had the slightest idea to compare the 'Queen of the Stars' with a Queen of my country. Maybe that's why I've never had any problem with this subject. Now we have a King as head of state and by law his wife is also called the Queen.... so what seems to be the problem with that title? She is only the wife of our King. And she does very nice things, activates a lot of social welfare projects, very nice dressed, by the way. Do I like her? Yes I do. Do I worship her? No I don't. She is just the Queen next to our King. |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 21:59:24 GMT
Do I like her? Yes I do. Do I worship her? No I don't. She is just the Queen next to our King. That's ok, but for people raised in democratic societies the royals are not in any way different from other people, they see those titles just as social roles. But as we all know, the catch in the aristocratic societies is that the father-king may be a very good guy, but an offspring who inherits the crown can turn out to be really bad, and people have no control of it. So anyway, in the universe the creatures are essentially equal notwithstanding their titles or their parental status, we are all just forms of the awareness. Now, some of us may be more mature or spiritually evolved, others less, and the 'parental' status has little to do with that. We can be parents to other souls and our child-souls can be less mature than the parents, or they can out-mature us. Same thing applies to the Mother. |
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Post by sahib on Oct 21, 2019 21:59:33 GMT
In the discussion about the 'Queen of Orion' I discover a comparison between our biological mothers and between the 'Queen of Orion'.
However, our biological mothers who have given our lives by allowing us to be born as independent, self-responsible human beings are not the creators of our souls/spirits. The 'Queen of Orion' is the one who provided our soul/spirit.
The body our biological mothers have given us will one day die and dissolve, but our soul/spirit, which comes from the Queen of Orion, will live on for the time being if not forever.
That's why any comparison between the two is flawed and it's very difficult to form an opinion about the one we know very little of, only that she's the one who is responsible for our soul/spirit. Maybe one day we will get to know her the way she is. But until then ...she just is.
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 22:10:50 GMT
In the discussion about the 'Queen of Orion' I discover a comparison between our biological mothers and between the 'Queen of Orion'. However, our biological mothers who have given our lives by allowing us to be born as independent, self-responsible human beings are not the creators of our souls/spirits. The 'Queen of Orion' is the one who provided our soul/spirit. The body our biological mothers have given us will one day die and dissolve, but our soul/spirit, which comes from the Queen of Orion, will live on for the time being if not forever. That's why any comparison between the two is flawed and it's very difficult to form an opinion about the one we know very little of, only that she's the one who is responsible for our soul/spirit. Maybe one day we will get to know her the way she is. But until then ...she just is. I don't see much difference here, it's the same process just happening on physical or spiritual level. The ability to split is inherent in the nature of the substance of the universe. We all can do it once we gain back our abilities. When our physical cells divide from the mother's egg, they don't belong to the mother anymore and not made of her, they are just made of matter. Likewise, once we split from our parent on the spiritual level, it's not the parent's spirit anymore, the spirit is made of the Awareness. |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 21, 2019 22:13:42 GMT
So, the bottomline is: we are not made of Goddess. It's the other way around: both we and the Goddess are made of the Awareness. We can always be grateful to our spiritual parents for creating us though.
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Post by Wes Penre on Oct 21, 2019 22:34:06 GMT
Me again I think that people react not only to the "Queen" word that resonates with hierarchy archetype, but also with the "Goddess" word that resonates with religious archetype of a perfect all-knowing all-powerful creator. Both associations are likely not true and not applicable to the "Mother" the way she really is. Including the fact that she may be far from perfect, fully mature, all-knowing and all powerful. Once we settle with this more realistic perspective on her then we can deal with her in an unbiased way without extremes of either going into wars with her or falling into dependency on her. That was exactly my standpoint, as well, when I wrote the papers. The Queen is not perfect How could She? She is Spirited, but so are we. Are we perfect? No. Is She? No. Why not? Because in the KHAA, She is a soul, just like we are. However, She is also the Creatrix of the entire KHAA--She created all the souls. After that, each soul started having her own experience, separate from all other souls. Therefore, as a soul aspect of the Divine Feminine, how can She be perfect and all-knowing? She can't because the Universe changes every nano-second, as soon as a soul makes a decision. If She was perfect, this Construct would never have been built. She can't foresee what everybody else is going to do. That would defeat the entire purpose with the Universe. No one (and certainly not I) have said the Queen is perfect or all-knowing--not even the Divine Feminine (All That IS) is all-knowing. The Queen is here in this Universe to experience, just as we are. But Queen also means Divine, and although we are all divine, She IS the Creatrix, and we can't get around that. So, I can imagine that star beings look at her as a Queen--Lady of the Divine--because She created them, after all. However, I have firmly learned that the Queen would discard ANY worship that's directed toward Her. She would find worship of Her very odd, so I've learned. Worship is of this construct. |
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Post by sahib on Oct 21, 2019 22:49:04 GMT
That's why any comparison between the two is flawed and it's very difficult to form an opinion about the one we know very little of, only that she's the one who is responsible for our soul/spirit. Maybe one day we will get to know her the way she is. But until then ...she just is. I don't see much difference here, it's the same process just happening on physical or spiritual level. The ability to split is inherent in the nature of the substance of the universe. We all can do it once we gain back our abilities. When our physical cells divide from the mother's egg, they don't belong to the mother anymore and not made of her, they are just made of matter. Likewise, once we split from our parent on the spiritual level, it's not the parent's spirit anymore, the spirit is made of the Awareness. Ok, you don’t see much difference because, as I see it, you compare procreating here in this construct being the same as splitting oneself in many soulfires. You say when our physical cells divide from our mother’s egg they don’t belong to the mother anymore, in the meantime forgetting that your mother’s egg on its own cannot create the ‘you’ that is writing these sentences. Another substance is required from ‘daddy’ to form a human being, as you said: we are just made of matter. But the spark that made the two ingredients into a ‘living being’ came from elsewhere, or do you think we all crawled out of the primordial soup just like that? You think we are nothing more than a lump of clay, crawling/walking on this earth? I don’t think so. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. And the spiritual aspect is still a mystery…. yet. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Oct 21, 2019 23:53:19 GMT
If we look up the etymology (root) of the word "queen," we find many different meanings. We find the usual ones, being ruler, female ruler, etc., but here are two other meanings: Old Norse kvaen, Gothic quens), ablaut variant of *kwenon (source of quean), from PIE root *gwen- "woman." The original sense seems to have been "wife," specialized by Old English to "wife of a king." In Old Norse, still mostly of a wife generally, as in kvan-fang "marriage, taking of a wife... www.etymonline.com/word/queen We are talking about spiritual maturity etc., but are we really more spiritually "mature" than those with a greater understanding of life and the Universe? When we think of Queen, we usually think of Queen Elizabeth, etc.--the "evil rulers." But when it comes to the Queen of the Stars, why doesn't "Woman of the stars" or "wife of a king" apply (King here being King/Khan En.lil, who indeed was the King of Sirius = ruler, which those who have read the WPP know)? We are still stuck in 3-D thinking here and our reactive mind (A=A=A, which means one thing is the same as another thing, which is the same as the thirds thing, and so on...). One of the first things I learned when I wrote the papers that there is no hierarchy in Orion. Wes, Queen (from this 3D standpoint), feels like it points to a titleship like a CEO of a company. Mother is much more different, more like you can go to her for anything...she understands you kinda way. Yes, I understand that Queen can be triggering because people make the connection to the Impostors, who are using this title to usurp and control. But in that case, I can't use Mother Goddess, either, because then Goddess is triggering. If I use Divine Feminine, that will certainly trigger some people, too. I have explained this thing with hierarchy and power both in the papers, in videos, and even more so here on the forum. People need to get over it. If they understand it's a trigger, it's time to change perspective, and the trigger will go away. Otherwise, we are putting on the victim mentality again. I need to use the term Queen because it's necessary for people to understand the inversion of this Construct. There is a lot in the information we share that might be triggering, but that's just how it is when we try to peel the onion. Part of our time here needs to be spent to overcome these things. If we can't even overcome these terms and titles--knowing that they are not the same as here in the Construct--how can we overcome any of the heavier stuff? |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 22, 2019 0:27:46 GMT
You say when our physical cells divide from our mother’s egg they don’t belong to the mother anymore, in the meantime forgetting that your mother’s egg on its own cannot create the ‘you’ that is writing these sentences. Another substance is required from ‘daddy’ to form a human being, as you said: we are just made of matter. But the spark that made the two ingredients into a ‘living being’ came from elsewhere, or do you think we all crawled out of the primordial soup just like that? You think we are nothing more than a lump of clay, crawling/walking on this earth? I don’t think so. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. And the spiritual aspect is still a mystery…. yet. Here is what happened I think. Many of us come from the Abrahamic religious background, so we have a very powerful unconscious archetype of a single personal God-creator. Now, as we eventually figured, with the help of people like Wes and others, that those religions were simply set-ups by overlords. So we let go of those old religions but it's very hard for us to let go of the God-archetype. So now, instead of seeing the Enki as a God-creator, we still hold to the God-archetype and simply projected it to the Mother-Goddess. You are free to keep believing in it, but IMHO this is simply a religion and a remainder of Abrahamic religions. Think about it: the whole world is made of a single "substance" that is/has the nature of awareness (which you can find out in spiritual practices by exploring your own nature and the nature of things in the world). So every creature is made of the same substance, including any creator or creators. They also initially emerged from the background of the same substance and are made of it. So, when they create (manifest) or split/divide, their creations (us) are not made of the creators (Gods), they are made of the same substance that the creators are made of. In other words, we are not made of God (even on the spiritual level), we are made of the same awareness-substance that Gods are made of. This includes the level of the spirit which is simply the highest vibrational level of forms, the level where we, spirited beings, started. True, some other beings originated on lover levels and do not even have the spiritual aspect. |
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Post by Wes Penre on Oct 22, 2019 1:38:49 GMT
You say when our physical cells divide from our mother’s egg they don’t belong to the mother anymore, in the meantime forgetting that your mother’s egg on its own cannot create the ‘you’ that is writing these sentences. Another substance is required from ‘daddy’ to form a human being, as you said: we are just made of matter. But the spark that made the two ingredients into a ‘living being’ came from elsewhere, or do you think we all crawled out of the primordial soup just like that? You think we are nothing more than a lump of clay, crawling/walking on this earth? I don’t think so. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. And the spiritual aspect is still a mystery…. yet. Here is what happened I think. Many of us come from the Abrahamic religious background, so we have a very powerful unconscious archetype of a single personal God-creator. Now, as we eventually figured, with the help of people like Wes and others, that those religions were simply set-ups by overlords. So we let go of those old religions but it's very hard for us to let go of the God-archetype. So now, instead of seeing the Enki as a God-creator, we still hold to the God-archetype and simply projected it to the Mother-Goddess. You are free to keep believing in it, but IMHO this is simply a religion and a remainder of Abrahamic religions. Think about it: the whole world is made of a single "substance" that is/has the nature of awareness (which you can find out in spiritual practices by exploring your own nature and the nature of things in the world). So every creature is made of the same substance, including any creator or creators. They also initially emerged from the background of the same substance and are made of it. So, when they create (manifest) or split/divide, their creations (us) are not made of the creators (Gods), they are made of the same substance that the creators are made of. In other words, we are not made of God (even on the spiritual level), we are made of the same awareness-substance that Gods are made of. This includes the level of the spirit which is simply the highest vibrational level of forms, the level where we, spirited beings, started. True, some other beings originated on lover levels and do not even have the spiritual aspect. The way I see it is that we have two choices; we either stay here in the Patrix, and it seems that not many people want to do that on this forum, or we go through the Grid and we're in the KHAA. If someone finds a better alternative than the Grid, then go for that. But either way, we end up in the KHAA. Nowhere in my writings, and nowhere have Ariel and I said that we are going to some new prison, where an almighty Queen is going to decide what we can or can't do--my research points to the direct opposite. And we have never said that we're going to merge with her either, like we've heard some suggest. That, too, is the direct opposite to what we have said, and that's the exact opposite to anything I wrote about in my papers. People want to argue whether the Queen is good or bad, or whether she even exists at all. It doesn't even make a difference. We need to choose whether we want to stay here and be recycled, or leave--that's all. I know I do NOT want to come back here, so even though the KHAA is an unknown, it's better to face that unknown than to be trapped here any longer. Let's pretend the KHAA shows to be a trap, too (which is NOT my conclusion), what are we going to do? Stay here or find out? Is there a Queen or not? If so, is she good or bad? Is Orion a trap? Is it a hierarchy? Are there even holes in the Grid? Well, I've given everybody MY research, so what can I say? Does the research make sense or not? Something for each individual to determine. I know what I am going to do, but everybody needs to work this out for themselves. Personally, I have no reason to change my mind about all this--I'm pretty steadfast and grounded in my own research and what Ariel and I have done together. But I understand it's not for everyone, and/or everybody does not see it the way I/we do, and that's fine. I know what I know, and the rest I need to trust that I can handle when the day comes. Feel free, of course, to continue discussing this if you like, but I can't think of anything more to say on this subject that I have not already said. |
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Post by Stranger2 on Oct 22, 2019 2:09:40 GMT
No one (and certainly not I) have said the Queen is perfect or all-knowing--not even the Divine Feminine (All That IS) is all-knowing. The Queen is here in this Universe to experience, just as we are. But Queen also means Divine, and although we are all divine, She IS the Creatrix, and we can't get around that. So, I can imagine that star beings look at her as a Queen--Lady of the Divine--because She created them, after all. However, I have firmly learned that the Queen would discard ANY worship that's directed toward Her. She would find worship of Her very odd, so I've learned. Worship is of this construct. Right, I agree with that. Again, if we look from the perspective of the ability to manifest which is innate to the substratum/substance of the universe, then she just happened to be the first though-form, the first conscious activity, that appeared in the substratum on it's highest vibrational level. And she simply discovered that ability to manifest, which is not her own ability, but the ability of the awareness substratum itself. Now, was she the only first one who started the whole universe, or were there perhaps other though-forms before or after her appearing in the substratum who then also started manifesting? We do not know, but logically there very well can be. If there can be a possibility of one first thought-form appearing in the substratum, why would it be limited to only one? We know for a fact from our experience that the variety of possibilities in the substratum is unlimited. That means that she is likely not the only one who started manifesting, and our universe is not the only one either. We just happened to be in this particular universe that was first manifested by this particular Mother. And we are not confined to this universe because we ourselves can manifest our own and the space of substratum has no limits. But again, we are not made of her, we are all made of the very same substratum. Yes, in a way she is our mother because she initiated our birth out of the substratum, or split us from her conscious activity, and we should be grateful to her for that. |
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