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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 16, 2019 23:09:49 GMT
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Post by justinc7710 on Aug 17, 2019 18:23:48 GMT
Since everything is happening at once, does that mean I’ve already made it through the grid since that’s what I intend on doing after this lifetime? If so, what effect does that have on me presently? If I’m able to merge all aspects of me when I leave through the grid, then wouldn’t that mean that I shouldn’t be here right now? Or am I misunderstanding? |
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 17, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
Since everything is happening at once, does that mean I’ve already made it through the grid since that’s what I intend on doing after this lifetime? If so, what effect does that have on me presently? If I’m able to merge all aspects of me when I leave through the grid, then wouldn’t that mean that I shouldn’t be here right now? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm glad people are asking questions about this! This subject needs to be discussed. The 'time' has come when it's very difficult to use words to describe metaphysical phenomena, but we'll give it a shot  . Feel free to comment and ask more questions--not only Justin, of course, but everybody. Think of it this way: You (Justin) is here right now in 2019, reading this post in the present moment. That's the only moment that exists for you--the NOW. Then you have, let's say, another part of you (Mary, let's say) living in the year 2450 AD. That part is completely focused in that time period, in HER present moment/NOW, what ever that moment entails. It's still you, but having a completely different focus than Justin has. Then you might have 1000 other aspects spread out though "time," all living in their present moment, experiencing something entirely different. The fact that you are still here on Earth as Justin means that none of your 1000 aspects has left the Construct. If they would, you wouldn't be here. And Justin hasn't made it through the Grid, either--not yet. How do we know? Again, because you're still here. This is your NOW/PRESENT, and as you can tell, you're sitting there reading this, so you've not exited the Grid in your NOW yet, if this makes sense--you've just created the intention and the thought that you will leave. Here in 3D, you must first take action for it to happen. Tomorrow is not in the future, it's just another NOW when you get to that point--you only perceive that time is passing and a new day has begun--it's an illusion. In fact, it's the same NOW, following upon the NOW you are experiencing in this exact moment. Your intention is to go through the Grid, but you haven't taken that action yet in YOUR NOW. Does this make sense? |
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Post by sahib on Aug 17, 2019 22:36:53 GMT
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Post by Ariel on Aug 17, 2019 22:51:39 GMT
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 17, 2019 23:04:07 GMT
I didn't know that. Thanks, Sahib. I have Matrix V in PDF, but I never read the whole thing. I was put off when he started attacking women, telling the reader how deceptive and evil they are. Then, to top it off, I believe he said we ALL need to be homosexual (or at least have homosexual experiences) in order to exit the Matrix, whatever sex and gender has to do with it. I know in Aleister Crowley's OTO, Grade IX, initiates also need to have homosexual experiences. I personally don't care whether a person is hetero or homosexual--it's the quality of the individual that counts, but I'm just pointing out Valerian's viewpoint of forcing sexuality on us as mandatory for freeing ourselves. Too bad, because otherwise, there is some good info in his books, IMO. Anyway, it's pretty interesting that Val came to the same conclusion. |
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Post by sahib on Aug 18, 2019 12:58:08 GMT
Yes in 2003 I've studied Matrix V and I also had problems when he was attacking women and propagating homosexuality, but I've put that part of his opinion aside and went on researching. I must say that I can understand where he is coming from but that is entirely own his opinion.
Every human theory contains a certain dose of personal experience and emotions and personal trauma, as is the case with Val Valerian. An experienced researcher understands this and puts these things aside and looks for the hidden jewels in the offered material.
Earth is an incarnation point in this Galaxy for Higher Selves using simultaneous incarnations.
If you follow his explanation about souls in 3D, he goes even deeper and various incarnations have a certain goal in 3D to complement the Higher Self to achieve His/Her perfect goal. He distinguishes between Higher Selves who have various incarnations in 3D (Earth humans) and Higher Selves who only allow one incarnation at a time (Aliens). And to explain this in this post goes very far because it will be a long and very complex story.
I think there are so many Awakened Finals at this point in the development of Mother Earth to complete their "Human Experience".
As you often hear, also on this forum, many people blame the 'Queen of Orion' for not doing anything to end the crimes of the AIF and 'save us'.
What these people don't understand is that if they are (or want to be) an 'Awakend Final', they THEMSELVES can put an end to it simply by deciding to leave this artificial Matrix/Patrix through a hole in the Grid. And together with them all other aspects of their Higher Self. We have not lost this part of our 'free will'.
What is very important in understanding the details of Matrix V is that you are familiar with the works of Robert Monroe. Where he describes his experiences and interactions on the different levels with beings in the Astral World(s). If you have no knowledge of his works then you will soon drop out the Matrix V material because you cannot place it properly in the total picture.
Books R.Monroe: Journeys out of the Body - Far Journey - Ultimate Journey
To explain this reincarnation topic in its entirety would be a very big post and I don't think anyone is waiting for such an article on this forum.
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Post by justinc7710 on Aug 18, 2019 14:11:45 GMT
Since everything is happening at once, does that mean I’ve already made it through the grid since that’s what I intend on doing after this lifetime? If so, what effect does that have on me presently? If I’m able to merge all aspects of me when I leave through the grid, then wouldn’t that mean that I shouldn’t be here right now? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm glad people are asking questions about this! This subject needs to be discussed. The 'time' has come when it's very difficult to use words to describe metaphysical phenomena, but we'll give it a shot . Feel free to comment and ask more questions--not only Justin, of course, but everybody. Think of it this way: You (Justin) is here right now in 2019, reading this post in the present moment. That's the only moment that exists for you--the NOW. Then you have, let's say, another part of you (Mary, let's say) living in the year 2450 AD. That part is completely focused in that time period, in HER present moment/NOW, what ever that moment entails. It's still you, but having a completely different focus than Justin has. Then you might have 1000 other aspects spread out though "time," all living in their present moment, experiencing something entirely different. The fact that you are still here on Earth as Justin means that none of your 1000 aspects has left the Construct. If they would, you wouldn't be here. And Justin hasn't made it through the Grid, either--not yet. How do we know? Again, because you're still here. This is your NOW/PRESENT, and as you can tell, you're sitting there reading this, so you've not exited the Grid in your NOW yet, if this makes sense--you've just created the intention and the thought that you will leave. Here in 3D, you must first take action for it to happen. Tomorrow is not in the future, it's just another NOW when you get to that point--you only perceive that time is passing and a new day has begun--it's an illusion. In fact, it's the same NOW, following upon the NOW you are experiencing in this exact moment. Your intention is to go through the Grid, but you haven't taken that action yet in YOUR NOW. Does this make sense? Yes, this makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. I know you were just using it as an example, but I hope I don’t have an aspect of me living in the year 2450 lol, that would probably mean something went wrong with my exit strategy. |
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Post by Marc Rider on Aug 18, 2019 14:19:47 GMT
Since everything is happening at once, does that mean I’ve already made it through the grid since that’s what I intend on doing after this lifetime? If so, what effect does that have on me presently? If I’m able to merge all aspects of me when I leave through the grid, then wouldn’t that mean that I shouldn’t be here right now? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm glad people are asking questions about this! This subject needs to be discussed. The 'time' has come when it's very difficult to use words to describe metaphysical phenomena, but we'll give it a shot . Feel free to comment and ask more questions--not only Justin, of course, but everybody. Think of it this way: You (Justin) is here right now in 2019, reading this post in the present moment. That's the only moment that exists for you--the NOW. Then you have, let's say, another part of you (Mary, let's say) living in the year 2450 AD. That part is completely focused in that time period, in HER present moment/NOW, what ever that moment entails. It's still you, but having a completely different focus than Justin has. Then you might have 1000 other aspects spread out though "time," all living in their present moment, experiencing something entirely different. The fact that you are still here on Earth as Justin means that none of your 1000 aspects has left the Construct. If they would, you wouldn't be here. And Justin hasn't made it through the Grid, either--not yet. How do we know? Again, because you're still here. This is your NOW/PRESENT, and as you can tell, you're sitting there reading this, so you've not exited the Grid in your NOW yet, if this makes sense--you've just created the intention and the thought that you will leave. Here in 3D, you must first take action for it to happen. Tomorrow is not in the future, it's just another NOW when you get to that point--you only perceive that time is passing and a new day has begun--it's an illusion. In fact, it's the same NOW, following upon the NOW you are experiencing in this exact moment. Your intention is to go through the Grid, but you haven't taken that action yet in YOUR NOW. Does this make sense? Hi Wes and everyone! I am glad that this topic has come to a discussion. This issue is very complex, not easy to understand. What if I was already at the other side, for example in Orion, would that mean that the other ME, Marc would still be here in this life or even previous ones? In other words, do the other MES' seize to exit, when I have already escaped through the grid? regards Marc |
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 18, 2019 14:56:59 GMT
I'm glad people are asking questions about this! This subject needs to be discussed. The 'time' has come when it's very difficult to use words to describe metaphysical phenomena, but we'll give it a shot . Feel free to comment and ask more questions--not only Justin, of course, but everybody. Think of it this way: You (Justin) is here right now in 2019, reading this post in the present moment. That's the only moment that exists for you--the NOW. Then you have, let's say, another part of you (Mary, let's say) living in the year 2450 AD. That part is completely focused in that time period, in HER present moment/NOW, what ever that moment entails. It's still you, but having a completely different focus than Justin has. Then you might have 1000 other aspects spread out though "time," all living in their present moment, experiencing something entirely different. The fact that you are still here on Earth as Justin means that none of your 1000 aspects has left the Construct. If they would, you wouldn't be here. And Justin hasn't made it through the Grid, either--not yet. How do we know? Again, because you're still here. This is your NOW/PRESENT, and as you can tell, you're sitting there reading this, so you've not exited the Grid in your NOW yet, if this makes sense--you've just created the intention and the thought that you will leave. Here in 3D, you must first take action for it to happen. Tomorrow is not in the future, it's just another NOW when you get to that point--you only perceive that time is passing and a new day has begun--it's an illusion. In fact, it's the same NOW, following upon the NOW you are experiencing in this exact moment. Your intention is to go through the Grid, but you haven't taken that action yet in YOUR NOW. Does this make sense? Yes, this makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. I know you were just using it as an example, but I hope I don’t have an aspect of me living in the year 2450 lol, that would probably mean something went wrong with my exit strategy. Sahib is correct in the small comment section below your post. Let's say you have an aspect of you in 2100, and the Singularity is fully implemented. That aspect is experiencing that "future" as its own NOW...it's own present, just as you experience Justin's present right now--it's no difference. So, if you don't exit the Grid after this lifetime and repeat this cycle, the Singularity aspect of you will go on as usual and "progress" through the Singularity. But if you exit after this life, the Singularity aspect of you will be withdrawn from the Singularity life and integrate, just like all other aspects on your timeline will. Thus, you either leave this Construct as a WHOLE soul again, or if some aspects happen to still be stuck here, the Queen will help you retrieve them, according to my anonymous source. This is a complicated subject, and there is much to ponder around it to make the pieces come together, but I will also make a followup video soon, which explains WHY we experience that there is a past, with history and all, when in fact, the "past" is fluid--all moments in the "past" are just continuous NOWs and exist simultaneously. We think the past is dead and gone, but it's not. It's being lived right now... |
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Post by sahib on Aug 18, 2019 15:06:37 GMT
In Matrix V there are two different incarnations from the Higher Selves.
- Sequential incarnations are playing a single game (role) at a time. (non-physical aliens)
- Simultaneous incarnations are playing hundreds and hundreds of games (roles) at the same time. (physical human beings)
Sequential incarnating Higher Selves have one incarnation at a time, retaining conscious memories of their incarnations at birth.
This is, as you can see, a SLOW process of development.
The sequential group stays within a certain race and progresses as a planet. Yes, they have all incarnation memories, but their experiences are limited to that race and racial development. The one element that all sequentials have in common is FEAR.
This fear is being born into each incarnation without memories of other incarnations.
Simultaneous incarnations occur in ALL time periods, thus allowing that individual Higher Self to receive tremendous inputs of information, emotions and sensory experiences at the same time. This is the FAST track of development.
Simultaneous incarnations consists of:
- Low Incarnations, those where the spirit is body ruled and they are having just basic experiences.
- Mid-level Incarnations, they are more evolved, more concerned with other's opinions, they seek conformity, are religious and traditional.
- Dominant Incarnations, they are Advanced or very Advanced, are (very) spiritual, researcher of thruths, paving the way for the Final Incarnation.
- Final Incarnations, they are the 'omega' of the 3D experiences, they end the cycle of incarnations in 3D.
Remember: ALL incarnations of that individual Higher Self are YOU - Low, Mid and Advanced incarnations are all you at different stages.
Once you discover YOUR spiritual identity AND live it, you are well on your way to graduating.
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Post by Marc Rider on Aug 18, 2019 15:31:22 GMT
Hi Wes and everyone!
I am glad that this topic has come to a discussion.
This issue is very complex, not easy to understand.
What if I was already at the other side, for example in Orion, would that mean that the other ME, Marc would still be here in this life or even previous ones?
In other words, do the other MES' seize to exit, when I have already escaped through the grid?
regards
Marc
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 18, 2019 15:34:10 GMT
I'm glad people are asking questions about this! This subject needs to be discussed. The 'time' has come when it's very difficult to use words to describe metaphysical phenomena, but we'll give it a shot . Feel free to comment and ask more questions--not only Justin, of course, but everybody. Think of it this way: You (Justin) is here right now in 2019, reading this post in the present moment. That's the only moment that exists for you--the NOW. Then you have, let's say, another part of you (Mary, let's say) living in the year 2450 AD. That part is completely focused in that time period, in HER present moment/NOW, what ever that moment entails. It's still you, but having a completely different focus than Justin has. Then you might have 1000 other aspects spread out though "time," all living in their present moment, experiencing something entirely different. The fact that you are still here on Earth as Justin means that none of your 1000 aspects has left the Construct. If they would, you wouldn't be here. And Justin hasn't made it through the Grid, either--not yet. How do we know? Again, because you're still here. This is your NOW/PRESENT, and as you can tell, you're sitting there reading this, so you've not exited the Grid in your NOW yet, if this makes sense--you've just created the intention and the thought that you will leave. Here in 3D, you must first take action for it to happen. Tomorrow is not in the future, it's just another NOW when you get to that point--you only perceive that time is passing and a new day has begun--it's an illusion. In fact, it's the same NOW, following upon the NOW you are experiencing in this exact moment. Your intention is to go through the Grid, but you haven't taken that action yet in YOUR NOW. Does this make sense? If we explore the hypothesis we presented in the video, and one aspect of you would go through the Grid and to Orion, for example, two things could happen, 1) you will automatically retrieve/withdraw all other aspects of you across the lines of "time" and bring those with you--you would retrieve all the soul energy you have "invested" in this Patrix, and you would go to Orion as a full, complete soul, or 2) you would withdraw MOST of your soul energy from the Patrix, and some aspects or remnants would still remain here. If this is the case, the Queen will help you withdraw the last bits and pieces from this Construct. The reason She can comfortably do that is because now you have made your decision to exit, and you executed this decision, i.e. you made your choice. Thus, She is not breaching freewill by withdrawing the lingering soul energy from this System. Makes sense? |
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Post by cam on Aug 18, 2019 16:31:52 GMT
I've watched the video twice and I've read the posts.
My head is swimming.
Please let there be a grid with holes in it so we can get out of here.
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Post by AlexSWE on Aug 18, 2019 16:53:50 GMT
If we explore the hypothesis we presented in the video, and one aspect of you would go through the Grid and to Orion, for example, two things could happen, 1) you will automatically retrieve/withdraw all other aspects of you across the lines of "time" and bring those with you--you would retrieve all the soul energy you have "invested" in this Patrix, and you would go to Orion as a full, complete soul, or 2) you would withdraw MOST of your soul energy from the Patrix, and some aspects or remnants would still remain here. If this is the case, the Queen will help you withdraw the last bits and pieces from this Construct. The reason She can comfortably do that is because now you have made your decision to exit, and you executed this decision, i.e. you made your choice. Thus, She is not breaching freewill by withdrawing the lingering soul energy from this System. Makes sense? Hi! If there was someway to really get in touch with Orion when we still are in this construct and literally individual beg and shout "i want to get out of here RIGHT now!" they could do nothing? There must have been an bold agreement we did when we Re-incarnate into this physical world yes? Its like death is part of the contract we signed up for and the physical body MUST disappear/die and after that, and really only after that we can execute our freewill to leave this construct forever. Ive been thinking about movement/position lately. I think its very important. Which position (Y)/(X) you have in a rom for example or in the afterlife dimension. Is very important how we move because if you move wrong (into the white light tunnel) it get recognized as an YES to Re-incarnate. So movement talks! And we use our Freewill when we move around. |
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Post by sicily on Aug 18, 2019 19:27:40 GMT
Let's say that person A figures things out and exits in this lifetime. And with your #1 possibility person A leaves and all aspects of self are retrieved does that mean that on earth you are completely erased from this patrix, all your history is gone, no trace of you living here gone? So that would create a ripple with all the other players you have played with, how does that work?
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Post by Wes Penre on Aug 18, 2019 22:59:04 GMT
Let's say that person A figures things out and exits in this lifetime. And with your #1 possibility person A leaves and all aspects of self are retrieved does that mean that on earth you are completely erased from this patrix, all your history is gone, no trace of you living here gone? So that would create a ripple with all the other players you have played with, how does that work? I was just waiting for this question LOL. I'm working on a follow-up video on this subject, and I was/am planning on bringing this thing up there. |
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Post by AlexSWE on Aug 19, 2019 8:19:31 GMT
Let's say that person A figures things out and exits in this lifetime. And with your #1 possibility person A leaves and all aspects of self are retrieved does that mean that on earth you are completely erased from this patrix, all your history is gone, no trace of you living here gone? So that would create a ripple with all the other players you have played with, how does that work? I was just waiting for this question LOL. I'm working on a follow-up video on this subject, and I was/am planning on bringing this thing up there. Yeah i am wondering that too! Pretty complicated! If i die today and exit successfully my mom and father for example would have no memories of me or what we did togheter.. Their history must change too and adjust somehow.. Maby even my dead physical body does disappear from this physical reality when i exit the matrix. |
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Post by sahib on Aug 19, 2019 9:40:04 GMT
I would like to make a comment here.
It could be if your mom and dad are aspects of your Higher Self they could leave also with you. Same time, maybe later.
If they are not aspects of your Higher Self, they will go to your funeral and say goodbye, because our body is Earth property so to speak and has to stay here.
When we leave this Earth we arrive in the Astral World and there we can go through the Grid. We're not on Earth anymore, we have died and all memories of our life on Earth will stay on Earth as usual. We only take our own experience with us.
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Post by AlexSWE on Aug 19, 2019 12:55:29 GMT
I would like to make a comment here. It could be if your mom and dad are aspects of your Higher Self they could leave also with you. Same time, maybe later. If they are not aspects of your Higher Self, they will go to your funeral and say goodbye, because our body is Earth property so to speak and has to stay here. When we leave this Earth we arrive in the Astral World and there we can go through the Grid. We're not on Earth anymore, we have died and all memories of our life on Earth will stay on Earth as usual. We only take our own experience with us. Ye, when i ponder about it. This makes more sense. But how do i know if i come across another aspect of myself? Isnt it pretty unlikely? Is there a check list to go thorough? Okay so i can have more aspects of my self in this timeline where Alex exist and in all the other timelines too as stated in the latest video 172. |
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